00:25 <sterni> I think there is definitely the group who just wants “standard” terminal emulator which just works who have just been setting TERM=xterm-256color because it works via ssh with zero setup

00:25 <sterni> that user group would definitely stay happy with the ncurses foot entry

00:26 <Arnavion> I'm one of those users now, but I'm planning to switch to TERM=foot* when ssh config adds support for SetEnv TERM=

00:27 <sterni> I would definitely be one of them if I wasn't mostly using mosh

02:47 <ino> hi guys! I want to know something about yambar, but dont know what is the appropriate channel to ask, so I am asking it here. :) will there be a way in future to position my yambar on right or left instead of top or bottom? thanks :)

04:18 <caughtquick> <sterni> "that user group would definitely..." <- Foot works fine on my machine locally ofcourse but I just end up doing export TERM=Linux in my .bashrc

15:47 <dnkl> Arnavion: nice job finding that ncurses bug!

18:28 <Arnavion> It annoys me that I told him how to fix it, he did so silently without responding to my email, but still made a typo

18:48 <dnkl> Yeah, saw that. Found it... Disturbing

18:55 <Arnavion> Also, I was going to test tmux against the ncurses definition, so I installed my distro's package that ought to have the ncurses definition, except it doesn't have them, because the maintainer of the package added the patch but also has a list of which definitions go into the package, and they didn't add foot there

18:56 <Arnavion> I'm ready to burn down the concept of terminfos to the ground

18:56 <dnkl> You and me both

18:57 <dnkl> We definitely need something new, that isn't tied to a single project

18:57 <Arnavion> And so, I *could* tell the maintainer to add foot to the list. Or I *could* just change foot to install the terminfos as "foot" and hope no one notices, which will solve all our problems

18:57 <Arnavion> You can guess which one I'm leaning towards

18:58 <dnkl> Arnavion: :D

18:58 <ifreund> someone should start the X11->Wayland movement equivalent for terminal emulators

19:00 <dnkl> Arnavion: it's definitely an alternative distributions can choose. I think sterni will do something similar for nix. Except there they can ship ncurses foot terminfo, but have ours override it if users choose to install it

19:02 <dnkl> ifreund: one terminal developer and one application developer could probably create something decent. Too many and there's likely to be just bikeshedding...

19:03 <ifreund> dnkl: yeah, it would have to start very small and get almost entirely stable before it gets bogged down by the masses

23:10 <sterni> dnkl: yes, that's what I'm doing although thanks to foot setting TERMINFO I can just avoid installing the terminfo in most cases (locally)

23:11 <sterni> I just hope that TERMINFO takes precedence over TERMINFO_DIRS…