01:12 <ino> Hi! :) in my foot terminal emulator the colors are very bright than usual (like the colors i used in alacritty in the past, i just copied them in foot). how can i fix this? and is it a normal behavior? thanks! :)

01:17 <ericonr> ino: can you share a screenshot for that?

01:17 <ericonr> colors between alacritty and foot are exactly the same for me

01:23 <ino> hi ericonr! thanks for your reply. i didnt quite figure out yet how screenshoting on wayland works, so i have to dig a bit deeper into it! '=D

01:23 <ericonr> what compositor are you using?

01:23 <ericonr> WM has a useful grimshot wrapper around grim/slurp

01:23 <ericonr> you can use that

01:23 <ino> i am using river :)

01:24 <ericonr> s/WM/sway/

01:24 <ericonr> you can still use grimshot from sway

01:24 <ericonr> but you can also just dump the entire screen with grim

01:24 <ericonr> grim out.png

01:24 <ino> thanks! i will definately try these tools now! also, i am using river. i promise its a really really cool compositor!

01:27 <ericonr> I suppose it must be, for ifreund to be working on it so much ;)

01:31 <ino> haha

01:34 <ino> hi ericonr! here is it. i dont know if the difference is quite visible. https://imgur.com/ojt0Ttb

01:35 <ino> (in the picture)

01:35 <ino> right side is foot.

01:36 <ericonr> yeah def visible

01:36 <ericonr> but also no idea what it's about

01:36 <ericonr> are you sure your configs are exactly the same?

01:36 <ericonr> did you remember to configure brightN colors in foot too?

01:37 <ericonr> otherwise if they are unset in both terminals, the algorithm to choose the bright variant could be different for each one

01:37 <ino> ohh. thanks though for your time :) ohh! i really didnt do that. i am doing it now and will tell you what happens after!

01:39 <ino> also your `grim` suggestion is marvellous. it has worked like charm! i will be sticking to it, so easy to use.

01:43 <ericonr> :)

01:46 <ino> :)))

01:58 <ino> hi ericonr. sorry for pinging you again. would you like to share your `foot.ini` file? :) i think i am missing something in my config.

01:59 <ericonr> ino: https://0x0.st/-yHC.ini

01:59 <ericonr> no probem

01:59 <ericonr> problem

01:59 <ino> thank you so much for your kindness!! :))

02:01 <ino> you have such minimal config! my config is 100 lines long. haha

02:02 <ericonr> part of my reason to switch from alacritty was the config size :p

02:02 <ericonr> I could make foot do what I wanted with very few manual options, and that was a very welcome change

02:03 <ino> do you also use foobar (that is now called yambar, created by dnkl )

02:03 <ino> if i type someones name here he gets pinged

02:14 <ericonr> Yes, he does get pinged

02:14 <ericonr> And no, I'm currently still using waybar

02:26 <ino> waybar only supports plseaudio, thats why i had to move to yambar!

03:23 <ericonr> Now I'm curious what ino uses for sound :p

13:25 <lanodan> Only pulseaudio? *uses waybar fine with pure alsa*

13:28 <lanodan> Ah nah, sndio my bad

13:29 <lanodan> Then I guess they either use JACK or pure ALSA, maybe pipewire but I think it allows to use pulseaudio API

13:29 <ericonr> yeah I use waybar with pipewire via the pulse widget

13:30 <ericonr> I wrote the sndio module, but switched to pipewire due to bluetooth

18:07 <lechner> Hi, my home directory is an NFS mount. Could that be a reason why foot takes 16 seconds to start locally?

18:09 <alice> if you pass --config to something outside home like dev null does it magically speed up

18:14 <lechner> alice: that's interesting! it makes no difference

18:15 <alice> i seem to have forgotten what else foot might use from home

18:15 <dnkl> lechner: how fast is "foot true"?

18:16 <lechner> dnkl: that was possibly a second longer, at 17 seconds

18:17 <dnkl> lechner: then I'd suggest strace:ing foot and see where it stalls

18:18 <dnkl> lechner: another possibility; how many fonts does "fc-list" show?

18:19 <lechner> dnkl: 7491

18:20 <dnkl> Then that's likely your problem...

18:21 <alice> i have half of that and it's instant

18:21 <alice> seems a bit extreme to jump to 17s suddenly

18:21 <dnkl> Hmm, ok, then an strace please :D

18:21 <lechner> alice: are you on a local disk?

18:21 <Arnavion> The fc cache is in ~/.cache, so if ~ is an NFS mount...

18:21 <alice> yeah not nfs, but just by number alone

18:22 <dnkl> Arnavion: good point...

18:22 <lechner> the nfs is local, but also encrypted with gocryptfs

18:22 <Arnavion> I have 7k fonts too, and I know that if I wipe out ~/.cache it takes ~5s for fc to just rebuild the cache. And this is on a local NVME SSD

18:22 <Arnavion> But that's only for the first start, of course. Subsequent starts foot starts instantly

18:23 <lechner> why does foot need to read all those fonts?

18:23 <dnkl> Still... lechner: if you run "strace foot" does it stall completely?

18:23 <Arnavion> fontconfig makes a cache

18:24 <dnkl> It doesn't load the fonts. But it needs the charset map for each font, to be able to do correct glyph fallback lookups

18:25 <dnkl> Like Arnavion says, fontconfig caches this, so should be fast. But if the cache is on NFS, it's possible it will slow things down

18:25 <lechner> dnkl: it does not stall, but it stats each font (and apparently opens it)

18:25 <dnkl> Hmm, could it be that fontconfig isn't creating the cache, for some reason?

18:26 <Arnavion> Does strace -fe file -- foot print any lines for ~/.cache ?

18:27 <Arnavion> eg openat(AT_FDCWD, "/home/arnavion/.cache/fontconfig/6107fe98-7ebc-45e2-9d5d-d0e121c6b996-x86_64.cache-7", O_RDONLY|O_CLOEXEC) = 3

18:27 <lechner> dnkl: i do not think that's the issue. i seem to have functioning cache

18:28 <lechner> Arnavion: yes, lot's of them

18:28 <Arnavion> And they all return fds instead of -1 ?

18:28 <sterni> dnkl: I have > 9000 fonts in fc-list and never found foot to be slow to start up :p

18:28 <dnkl> lechner: can you post the full strace somewhere?

18:29 <lechner> sure, it's coming. I also lots of access to ~/.local/share/fonts/

18:30 <Arnavion> I only have ~10 of those

18:30 <Arnavion> but that's presumably because it doesn't exist so they all fail with ENOENT

18:31 <lechner> i did not know i had those

18:32 <dnkl> Fwiw, when i strace foot, it doesn't actually load a single font, except my primary font. Everything else are just accesses to the cache, and the font *directories*

18:33 <lechner> does it stat?

18:46 <lechner> dnkl: strace at https://innovametro.com/log.xz

18:48 <dnkl> lechner: I'll take a look at it soon. In the meantime, try running "sudo fc-cache -fs", and then try launching foot again

18:51 <lechner> dnkl: that command returned relatively quickly, and did not change foot's startup time noticably

18:53 <dnkl> lechner: is the output from a "strace -fe file ..." run? If so, could you redo it with just "strace foot"?

18:54 <lechner> dnkl: sure

18:55 <dnkl> lechner: and also try running "fc-cache -f" as your regular user

18:55 <lechner> dnkl: also, what are glyph fallbacks, please, and why does foot need be able to look them up for all fonts instead of just the one being used?

18:58 <dnkl> lechner: when your font doesn't have a glyph, foot needs to find a font that does. FontConfig provides a list of fallback fonts to use (try "fc-match -s <font-name>"). Before actually loading one of those fallback fonts, foot check its charmap to see if the font has the glyph or not. This charmap is something that fontconfig provides, and should be one of the things that is cached.

18:58 <dnkl> I'm guessing your cache is outdated, and that fontconfig is forced to actually load all fonts to be able to get the charmap data

19:02 <dnkl> lechner: could also be that your fonts, and thus the cache, is in your user directory, on NFS. Might be slow to load that many fonts, even when properly cached.

19:18 <Arnavion> Yes, they have fonts in ~/.local/share/fonts and in ~/.fonts

19:19 <Arnavion> They're also not the same sets, so it's not even that one is a symlink to the other

19:19 <Arnavion> Why do you have so many fonts in your homedir?

19:24 <lechner> Arnavion: you should see my garage!

19:28 <lechner> but i should look into those non-links. i think i copied those fonts into ~/.fonts years ago

19:31 <lechner> dnkl: the strace log is up. same link