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<davidlt[m]> Conan Kudo: There is a good chance that I might join Fedora Asahi efforts down the road (once M3 happens). I have been tracking blogs, live streams, etc. from Asahi for a year or more. Got to play with M2 for a longer and it's really tempting.
<Eighth_Doctor> hah
<davidlt[m]> I might as well wait for that rumoured 15" M3. That should be interesting one. That's enough time for actual interesting silicon changes, and 15" would be kinda nice.
<davidlt[m]> M1 is relatively cheap, but it doesn't have MagSafe, which I kinda love (from very old Macbook days). // I used to live in Apple eco-system 10+ years ago.
<Eighth_Doctor> the 2021 MBPs have MagSafe
<Eighth_Doctor> that's what I have
<davidlt[m]> I keep joking that I spent 10 years in Windows camp, 10 years in Mac and 10+ years in Linux in professional capacity. (20+ years if we count from the 1st Linux experience).
<davidlt[m]> Yeah, but MBP IIRC is a lot more expensive.
<davidlt[m]> Thus I will wait for M3 and grab a cheaper one to join Asahi club with somewhat broken experience to begin with :D
<davidlt[m]> Lina (and others of course) are doing an epic work.
<davidlt[m]> I mainly watch Hector and Lina livestreams on YouTube in the background.
<davidlt[m]> I could sunset my PineBook Pro 14" :) // AArch64 laptop too.
<davidlt[m]> Hah!
<davidlt[m]> The issues with broken *.pc files in Fedora continues.
<davidlt[m]> Found another way it could be broken. Apparently white space before the entry makes pkg-conf ignore the PC file.
<davidlt[m]> Already building patched version in Fedora/RISCV.
<davidlt[m]> We also passed 18'000 builds in our F38 Koji tag.
<davidlt[m]> (where dist == f38)
<davidlt[m]> Going back to building GCC 13 bumps made things slower and our build rate dropped a lot.
<davidlt[m]> I will launch a new GCC 13 build again later today. Hopefully Jakub will move towards his more traditional every 7+ days bump.
<davidlt[m]> I still see packages failing due to GCC 13 headers stuff. Surprised those are not fixed yet.
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<davidlt[m]> Why libifp is still tagged in Fedora 38?!
<davidlt[m]> The last time it was built was 2022-01-20 18:33:11
<davidlt[m]> There are more than one package that requires libusb-devel dep which is no longer in Fedora.
<nirik> When we branch, all the latest tagged packages are cloned into the new tag... so yeah, that can happen...
<davidlt[m]> nirik: the script that checks for packages to be deprecated don't check all the conditions.
<davidlt[m]> E.g. there are also a bunch of packages in Fedora 38 (and 37 and probably further) that never managed to build.
<davidlt[m]> All the builds failed, and yet it still in Fedora 38 and it gets a bump for a mass rebuild to fail again.
<davidlt[m]> Now that I am <5000 packages away from the in the "1st wave of mass rebuild" these will be popping out more and more.
<davidlt[m]> And as I get sometimes tired I keep asking myself "Why this is not yet fixed?" 😺
<nirik> yes, those are all in the boat of 'never was able to build a srpm' which means koji can't tell what package it was.
<nirik> there's a releng ticket to fix it somehow, but it's not an easy problem
<davidlt[m]>  koji list-tagged --quiet --latest f38 ?
<davidlt[m]> The result is empty if the package never managed to build. There was nothing to tag.
<davidlt[m]> Dump two lists. All packages in F38 tag. All packages with latest tagged builds in F38. Sort, diff.
<davidlt[m]> The last time I checked there were 23294 packages in F38 tag, but only 23102 tagged packages.
<nirik> it is tagged when we branch
<davidlt[m]> You don't get me. There was nothing to tag.
<nirik> it might be a fc37 or fc36 package
<davidlt[m]> There was never in Koji history a successful build.
<nirik> yeah, I am in the middle of something, so I am not able to focus here... but perhaps you could provide an example package?
<davidlt[m]> There are such packages.
<davidlt[m]> I could check it tomorrow, but I did mention that on IRC or other Fedora Matrix channel.
<nirik> so, look at libifp
<nirik> it hasn't been built since f36
<nirik> is tagged in f37 and f38
<nirik> (and f39)
<davidlt[m]> autoconf268 is part of F38, F39, but basically never built.
<davidlt[m]> Well, 2015 for EPEL6.
<nirik> thats probibly an epel only package that didn't get retired for fedora...
<davidlt[m]> Another one docker-swarm
<davidlt[m]> This one never had any builds.
<davidlt[m]> But is available since F21.
<davidlt[m]> Still not disabled.
<nirik> fun. Anyhow, if you have a list of these, file a releng ticket and we can clean them up.
<davidlt[m]> Never had any builds.
<davidlt[m]> Nah, I would need to do a better check (way too tired). I noticed that some actually got a build a couple days ago for example.
<nirik> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1211517 has the saga of docker-swarm
<davidlt[m]> So I would need to rule out really fresh packages that just got added.
<nirik> so it should just be retired/removed
<nirik> yeah.
<davidlt[m]> But it's relatively easy to check other stuff too. Give me a sec.
* davidlt[m] spins yet another container
<davidlt[m]> I noticed that in the last ~4 hours I don't exactly know what I am doing, just making a mess :)
<davidlt[m]> I cannot even write CLI command or proper package names 🌝
<davidlt[m]> DecodeIR never managed to build since F36.
<davidlt[m]> There is about ~150 packages that are still from Fedora 36 era (last build) in Fedora 38 (and most likely in Fedora 39).
<davidlt[m]> So let's say there is 150-200 (or more) packages that are basically dead, but don't show up in retirement emails.
<davidlt[m]> I think.
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