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dustymabe >
or anyone else ^^
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jlebon >
dustymabe: ack
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fifofonix >
seeking help triaging a new issue with open-vm-tools layered on very latest next. likely not fcos related so don't want to just open an issue (unless that is preferred).
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fifofonix >
vgauthd.service unit fails with: symbol lookup error: /lib64/libxmlsec1.so.1: undefined symbol: xmlIOFTPRead, version LIBXML2_2.4.30
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fifofonix >
rpm packages for open-vm-tools and xmlsec1 do not appear to have changed...
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dustymabe >
fifofonix: looks kind of like there is a dependency issue with the rpm
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dustymabe >
if you start a fedora container and install `open-vm-tools` and note which packages get installed and then compare that package set with the ones in FCOS you'll probably see a newer version of a package that open-vm-tools (or a dep of open-vm-tools) should specify
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fifofonix >
dustymabe: good suggestion. i would see the same taking a server unlayering open-vm-tools too right?
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dustymabe >
another way to figure this out may be to try `testing-devel` or `next-devel` and see if you have the same problem
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fifofonix >
comparing rpm-ostree uninstall output for open-vm-tools on a next (non-working) and next-1 (working) server yields exact same package versions.
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walters >
worth noting that today Fedora CoreOS is a Fedora container...
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walters >
so you can literally e.g. `podman run --rm -ti quay.io/fedora/fedora-coreos:next-devel` and `rpm-ostree install open-vm-tools` in there too and verify that (I just did, got the same error when running `/usr/bin/VGAuthService` - but then of course, you can also
*boot* that container
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fifofonix >
walters: ooooooo that is crazy! amazing suggestion.
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walters >
No worries, such a fundamental change takes a while to propagate in terms of people's mindsets
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walters >
Note of course, an important thing to me is that the implicit statement "start a fedora container" implies Fedora CoreOS
*isn't* "Fedora" in some way...but see, now it is
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walters >
s/implicit//, s/*isn/_isn/, s/t*/t_/
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fifofonix >
dustymabe: so, next-devel has same issue (with walters's container suggestion) although layered packages are slightly different (a dependent alpha package is brought in on next-devel).
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fifofonix >
walters: my head is still exploding frankly, and i'm not sure i get how to boot a container...I'll google it!
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fifofonix >
Thanks! 🙏
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walters >
The "how to boot a container" is what a portion of the team effort has been for the last ~year
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dustymabe >
fifofonix: I would open an issue against `open-vm-tools` then in bugzilla
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bgilbert >
cverna updated the F36 container image for OpenSSL 🎉
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(Also worth noting here that we ship `open-vm-tools` in RHCOS because vmware 1) refused to containerize 2) refused to support production hosts without it)...and because we only have one image, we install `open-vm-tools` even on e.g. AWS and bare metal, which makes us look a bit silly. As we even adapt our own world to this, perhaps we e.g. do derive hypervisor-specific bootable-containers by default.
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walters >
The combinatorics rise here if we actually wanted to have e.g. `fedora-coreos-{base,vmware}:{stable,testing,next-devel}` etc...but, it does probably make sense longer term
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walters >
At least with the rpm-ostree chunked images, they share storage server side
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bgilbert >
(though I guess the Dockerhub update is still pending)
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bgilbert >
walters: well, the other thing is that we've consistently opposed shipping cloud agents at all
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bgilbert >
the point of cloud agents is that they provide a cloud-specific way to do things with VMs, which is non-portable by definition. we'd rather provide consistent APIs.
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bgilbert >
also, they tend to backdoor the VM and call it a feature
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bgilbert >
cverna: yup, it shouldn't affect our images, just noting it here for completeness
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bgilbert >
thanks for handling the rebuild
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cverna >
No worries 👍️
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dustymabe >
fifofonix: they'll probably just close the issue. I think this is a downstream problem (packaging), not upstream problem
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dustymabe >
anyone can open a BZ against Fedora (nothing to do with being a Red Hat customer)
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jlebon >
dustymabe: bgilbert: i can take config-bot and fedora-coreos-cincinnati
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fifofonix >
dustymabe: i will learn to fish one day
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dustymabe >
fifofonix: today is the day! :)
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dustymabe >
fifofonix: do you have a fedora account?
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dustymabe >
you can sign into bugzilla with your fedora account
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fifofonix >
I do, I think I've figured it out. The flow is a little confusing tbh but I'm through that now.
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jlebon: I think that container image (F35 based) is not affected
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jlebon >
k, will mark that as done now for the purposes of openssl updates
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lucab >
but yes we should deploy the latest commit if it is lagging behind, I can take care of that (maybe better tomorrow morning)
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fifofonix >
dustymabe: so, a bugzilla response attributes the open-vm-tools issue to a change in libxml2 that went in with the latest next. thanks for your help as usual.
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bgilbert >
fifofonix: do you have a link handy?
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bgilbert >
dustymabe: yup, I'll handle the rest of the containers
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dustymabe >
with pinned libxml2
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bgilbert >
oh wowww
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dustymabe >
I don't know if any packages within our base content set are affected (maybe not), and I don't know how much we do or don't care about layered packages breaking (i.e. containers separate things)
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dustymabe >
obviously open-vm-tools is an example
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wonders what the adamw hottake is on the topic
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bgilbert >
F35 and F37 updates are still in updates-testing and could probably use downkarma
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dustymabe >
luckily the package isn't in f37 yet
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bgilbert >
that's... quite bad
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dustymabe >
OOB/ad-hoc ?
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dustymabe >
maybe we should wait to see what the maintainers response is
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bgilbert >
in general I'm reserving judgment about whether we should do OOB releases to avoid breaking layered content
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dustymabe >
i.e. if they agree to go backwards
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bgilbert >
but this is a clear Fedora policy violation
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bgilbert >
then the tradeoff is
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bgilbert >
do we do it immediately to unbreak anyone affected on testing, or do we wait for a fixed package? there are some CVEs involved
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bgilbert >
we should have a tracker issue in any event
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dustymabe >
fifofonix: thanks for being an outstanding community member.. running nodes on `testing` and `next` do indeed have value!
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dustymabe >
fifofonix: do you mind opening a FCOS issue tracker bug?
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bgilbert >
fifofonix++
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dustymabe >
bgilbert: I say let's hold til we get some color from the maintainer. we'll be spinning `next` again next week anyway, so we could spin `testing` at the same time
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fifofonix >
why thank you. for reference we run our entire dev environment which is parity with test and production on next. we know this can break but it has been remarkably stable.
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dustymabe >
as long as you're happy :)
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fifofonix >
sadly it seems we will need to blacklist latest next for our gpu environment on aws as I don't think they're ready for 6.x kernel.
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fifofonix >
dustymabe: ok, so you're comfortable having an issue with open-vm-tools feature on your issue tracker ONCE some triage has been done.
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fifofonix >
dustymabe: will create that now.
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dustymabe >
fifofonix: right :) - the resulting problem is actually in libxml2, which is in the base package set
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jlebon >
ouch, nice catch!
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fifofonix >
ok, but i'm going to book it as an open-vm-tools issue referencing that if you're ok.
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adamw >
dustymabe: the adamw hot take is that if it's not in stable i don't care so much. :P but yeah, looks bad
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dustymabe >
.hire adamw
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zodbot >
adamw hires adamw
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adamw >
i pinged dave
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I can't find where that's documented anywhere
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dustymabe: hmm, it seems to work at least since it goes to the right channel
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jlebon >
let me check the spec
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dustymabe >
interesting.. well anyways i think we need to make this configurable and it would be easier (cross fcos/rhcos) if it wasn't done on the casc level
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dustymabe >
i'm thinking we just define another secret when we define the api token that says which room to try to send the message to and then update our slacksend calls to pick that up
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dustymabe >
or I guess it could be pipecfg
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dustymabe >
thoughts?
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jlebon >
not sure. having it be in pipecfg is a bit awkward i think
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jlebon >
the secret thing WFM though it's not ideal either
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jlebon >
but at least it's closer to where the secret for it is defined, so it makes sense to have them defined together
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jlebon >
it could also be an annotation on the secret
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dustymabe >
do we have a helper for that?
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jlebon >
to make it less heavyweight and bind it better
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jlebon >
we don't but it'd look similar to the `oc get | jq .` pipeline we use in `load_jenkins_config`
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jlebon >
i actually have a patch locally that factors all the slack calls into a `trySlackSend()` which might be good to build this on top
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jlebon >
oh wow haha, i had forgotten about that. the trySlackSend() i wrote is very similar indeed.
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dustymabe >
it's kind of like movies.. the original is always better
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jlebon >
anyway yeah, if we want to make it configurable, it's worth investigating the annotation thing. but let me try to push out what i've got first.
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dustymabe >
you want to just build on what you've got and add the annotation bit?
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dustymabe >
basically what we've got right now is the rhcos pipeline pushing to the fcos channel
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jlebon >
ack will do
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bgilbert >
whoever files the next FCOS tracker bug will be 1337
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jlebon >
dustymabe: restarted CI
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jlebon >
bgilbert: haha
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dustymabe >
`ci/prow/rhcos` that is
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jlebon >
i
*think* the prow tests should work (at least for the more recent ones), but travier[m] is probably the last person to have touched that area
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jlebon >
it should be possible to disable them in the openshift/release repo
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