01:10 <FromGitter> <moe:busyloop.net> i'm afraid for absolute beginners js & python are still the easiest. that's also the reason why these plagues just won't go away. i used to argue that ruby is "just as easy" and cleaner than python - but from observation it seems the awkward asymmetry of python is indeed easier on newbies because it allows them to go a long way w/o understanding OO (`len(foo)` vs `foo.length`, also in ruby you are

01:10 <FromGitter> ... confronted with blocks very early on)

01:36 <mikko> python is also a solid choice but it won't teach many of the concepts you need in crystal.. js on the other hand, absolutely terrible choice for a first language because it lets you get away with all kinds of bad habits

01:39 <FromGitter> <moe:busyloop.net> yup, but that's also the reason why it feels "easy". and of course it's also the one with the fastest rewards as you can do visual things with it in the browser. it's a honeypot :(

17:39 <FromGitter> <RespiteSage> There's no way to get the list of modules included/extended in a `TypeNode`, right? ⏎ ⏎ ```code paste, see link``` [https://gitter.im/crystal-lang/crystal?at=61f9706d5ee4df335a12ce43]

17:40 <FromGitter> <RespiteSage> @Blacksmoke16, if you're around, this seems like something you'd know.

17:41 <FromGitter> <Blacksmoke16> https://github.com/crystal-lang/crystal/issues/10142

17:41 <FromGitter> <Blacksmoke16> you can deff get directly included modules tho

17:42 <FromGitter> <RespiteSage> I think that's the inverse of what I'm asking for, though.

17:42 <FromGitter> <Blacksmoke16> well by that i mean, like `Foo.includers` which would be all the types that you explicitly did `include Foo` in, but afaik there isnt a way to say like `Bar.included_modules` or something

17:42 <FromGitter> <RespiteSage> Yeah, that's what I thought. Thank you. :)

17:42 <FromGitter> <Blacksmoke16> well hold on

17:42 <FromGitter> <Blacksmoke16> sec

17:43 <FromGitter> <Blacksmoke16> https://play.crystal-lang.org/#/r/cowg

17:44 <FromGitter> <Blacksmoke16> BUT im sure this is a bit of a naive approach and might be some cases it doesnt handle?

17:45 <FromGitter> <Blacksmoke16> https://play.crystal-lang.org/#/r/cowj :shrug: seems pretty good

18:04 <FromGitter> <RespiteSage> Thanks! I'm asking on behalf of a colleague who isn't involved in the Gitter or forum, so I don't know if either of those solve his issue, but I'll pass them on. :)

18:06 <FromGitter> <Blacksmoke16> 👍

18:07 <FromGitter> <RespiteSage> Weird that it doesn't work for `extend`, though: https://carc.in/#/r/cowo

18:08 <FromGitter> <RespiteSage> Do you think that's a bug or a choice based on the intended semantics of `extend`?

18:10 <FromGitter> <Blacksmoke16> extend adds the type to the metaclasses' hierarchy, so would need to check that instead of the instance type. E.g. `@type.class.ancestors.select &.module?`

18:10 <FromGitter> <Blacksmoke16> i.e. `@type.class` instead of just `@type`

18:12 <FromGitter> <RespiteSage> Ah, perfect. I had just come to the point of wondering about that, so I appreciate the confirmation.

18:13 <FromGitter> <RespiteSage> https://carc.in/#/r/cowu

18:13 <FromGitter> <RespiteSage> There's the final code, for any other interested readers.

18:13 <FromGitter> <RespiteSage> I think that's exactly what my coworker was looking for. Thank you as always for your macro expertise.

18:17 <FromGitter> <Blacksmoke16> 👍

18:45 <FromGitter> <oz:matrix.org> Ah, another reason to love MySQL. :D https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UTF-8#MySQL_utf8mb3

18:50 <FromGitter> <moe:busyloop.net> it is beyond me why people still use that. but then again, i also don't understand why people still voluntarily pick go-lang over crystal...