04:37 <SiFuh> Heh

04:56 <SiFuh> Anyway, if I remove /usr/sbin and /sbin from the PATH for a normal user I will need to add the full path of the command I wish to run when using doas.

04:59 <SiFuh> And when I run 'which <cmd>' it will only show the results in the $PATH variable

05:01 <SiFuh> So its existence is more of a convenience. Nothing will stop a user from adding it to their ~/.profile though.

20:33 <jaeger> Hrmm, wish I had a good way to view the proposed handbook changes in a rendered AND diffed style

21:42 <jaeger> Maybe someone who's more comfortable with pmwiki wants to review farkuhar's stuff? I'm finding it to be a pain in the ass to see what the actual DIFFERENCES are

21:52 <farkuhar> I suppose if there's a sandbox area of the pmwiki installation, my proposed changes could be rendered there and then converted to handbook.txt by doc/handbook/get_wiki_handbook, and then run diff on the two .txt files

21:53 <jaeger> hrmm, true

21:53 <farkuhar> Changing the URL in get_wiki_handbook to refer to the sandbox area, of course

21:59 <jaeger> ok, duplicated the handbook into a Sandbox group/namespace, then I'll overwrite each section with your version, then pmwiki should show me history

22:01 <farkuhar> anyway, the differences are mainly what we discussed on this channel: deleting the instructions on LILO, adding instructions for SYSLINUX, and mentioning that XDG variables must be exported somehow for freedesktop-aware programs to run properly.

22:05 <jaeger> OK, can now see the history for Sandbox/Handbook3-7*

22:05 <jaeger> When we release I'll ditch the sandbox pages

22:06 <farkuhar> the pmwiki history might be misleading, though, because of the liberties I took with hard line breaks

22:06 <jaeger> I haven't looked closely yet but why I wanted to see it this way was because it looked like more changes than what you've specified

22:06 <jaeger> It may be that those are entirely line breaks or whatever

22:10 <jaeger> reordering the main ToC is kinda a big one, even though the change is tiny, heh

22:10 <farkuhar> the line breaks were mainly for the convenience of people who might review the proposed changes on my git server, in the pmwiki source format. Gitea doesn't display long lines very nicely by default.

22:11 <jaeger> sadly the pmwiki raw text is not at all convenient to read

22:11 <farkuhar> yup, that was beerman's impression too.

22:12 <jaeger> What was the point of removing the "Preface" text label?

22:12 <farkuhar> oh, I wasn't aware that happened. Must have been a fat-finger mistake.

22:12 <jaeger> ok

22:19 <jaeger> hrmm... some of those actually break formatting... which is pmwiki's fault, really

22:20 <jaeger> https://crux.ninja/tmp/fbe1.jpg <-- here's an example

22:22 <farkuhar> according to the pmwiki documentation, the style is supposed to be preserved after a line break, unless the first character of the next line would be interpreted as entering a new style. But documentation doesn't always match the observed behaviour.

22:22 <jaeger> yeah

22:23 <farkuhar> so I'll go back and remove all the hard line breaks, since nobody seems eager to read the pmwiki source directly

22:24 <jaeger> Personally I don't care about line breaks, just finding the differences from the existing docs... which is complicated since the original docs don't have them

22:27 <jaeger> The breakage of formatting is annoying but that's down to pmwiki

22:28 <jaeger> I can deal with it, don't need to redo the whole thing just because of that

22:28 <jaeger> I will remove them where they break formatting in the sandbox namespace

22:33 <jaeger> I have to leave again soon so probably won't finish reviewing tonight, but will keep working on it

22:44 <farkuhar> jaeger: Cheers! And now that there's a sandbox namespace with a rendered version, beerman and jue can review my handbook changes too, without the inconvenient pmwiki syntax.

22:54 <jaeger> Finding it's a lot more breakage than I expected... every NOTE for example

23:14 <farkuhar> Don't trouble yourself too much with fixing the formatting right away. I'm more interested in feedback on the content.

23:49 <jaeger> fair enough. I'll check those sections specifically when I'm back