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<Josh_2>
hi hi!
<phoe>
hi
<aeth>
ih
<aeth>
oh wait, that's bash, not Common Lisp
<Josh_2>
eek
<aeth>
if ... fi. People will do anything to avoid writing parentheses
<lieven>
and to introduce irregularities. do ... od was impractical because octal dump was already a commando so it became do done
<aeth>
now someone can write a reader macro that does the same thing in CL
<aeth>
if and x y z dna 42 43 fi
<aeth>
so much more readable
<lieven>
yeah multiple-value-bind .... dn*um will be a huge hit
<aeth>
rplaca l 42 acalpr
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<aeth>
sadly, m-v-b and let will still have to use some parentheses
<aeth>
etc.
<aeth>
but, yes, you do save typing the most outer parentheses at the expense of having to type dnib-eulav-elpitlum to close the form instead.
<aeth>
you can remember it as d-nib eu-lav el-pit-lum, very easy.
<aeth>
maybe even IDE autocomplete it if you type )
<aeth>
I guess this is, sadly, a continuation of the long tradition of thinking up clever April Fools things in the middle of April that will never make it to next year's April.
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<phoe>
u-i-f-r-c is going to be funny
<aeth>
Sadly, I think it only applies to macros and special forms
<aeth>
e.g. with-standard-io-syntax (format t "Hello, ~A!" name) xatnys-oi-dradnats-htiw
<phoe>
(with-updated-instance-for-redefined-class (instance) ...) ; the instance is antiquated once control leaves the scope
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<beach>
phoe: We are still working on compiling the list and making sure every entry is fine. But we have lots of time.
<phoe>
beach: so basically a list of SICL modules that are available as libraries? sure, I can do that
<beach>
Yes, very easy.
<phoe>
oh, along with their current state and other quirks
<phoe>
and dependencies
<yitzi>
random-nick: Clasp only fails about 30 tests in ansi-test. A few failures are intential as phoe said and related to Unicode graphic characters, etc.
<phoe>
sure
<beach>
The main issue is going to be time. So we need to decide what to skip during the talk.
<beach>
... like let the audience read themselves.
<phoe>
certainly we'll need to turn this into a website or a github repo that acts as a map for all of these
<beach>
Good idea. And more work. :)
<phoe>
not really, it'll need to be created anyway
<phoe>
it'll let everyone who's interested read after the lightning talk
<beach>
Fair enough.
<phoe>
and a good entry point into SICL-libraries will make things much easier for possible readers
<beach>
Yes, and give the link at the end of the talk. Good idea.
<phoe>
...tbh even this text that you've given is already pretty good
<phoe>
just link in the repos and you're almost done
<beach>
Thanks. On a website, I would expand on the characteristics of each one.
<phoe>
turn it into markdown, put on github as s-expressionists/sicl-homepage, boom
<phoe>
good first step, IMO
<beach>
More good ideas.
<phoe>
it's the cheapest thing that will give the most effect, imo
<beach>
I am sure you are right.
<beach>
I was impressed myself when I realized that we now seem to have around 30 libraries.
<phoe>
I haven't really been around as of late
<phoe>
and I was like "...so which chapters of the spec are even remaining"
<beach>
Sure, and we discuss these things mostly in #sicl.
<phoe>
that's a lot
<beach>
I am more and more convinced that the Common Lisp community is divided into (at least) two parts. Those who hang out on IRC and those who don't. And ELS has lots of participants in the second category, so they probably know very little about this.
<phoe>
yep, so a lightning talk in form of "this thing exists" would be valuable
<beach>
Exactly!
<phoe>
"this thing exists, here's what it is, how it is shaped and structured, what are its contents, here's where is more info"
<phoe>
five slides, five minutes, can do
<beach>
Perfect!
<phoe>
I have an idea for structuring this lightning talk
<phoe>
let's do it
<beach>
Sounds good.
<beach>
phoe: I didn't mean to distract you from more urgent stuff.
<phoe>
1) I am not doing it right now 2) I don't have more urgent stuff at the moment
<beach>
Whew!
<phoe>
I'm just letting the idea idly ferment in my mind
<beach>
Excellent!
<beach>
Just don't let it rot. :)
<phoe>
is this link you posted going to stay up?
<beach>
yes.
<phoe>
as in, will you update it with more information?
<phoe>
OK, nice
<phoe>
I'll make use of it then
<beach>
Yes, it will be updated.
<phoe>
...I just realized that SICL stands for Systemized Implementation of Common Lisp, with each system implementing a different part of the spec
<phoe>
;; random thought, sorry
<beach>
You already defined it to mean SICL Implements Common Lisp.
<bjorkintosh>
hahaha
<beach>
But we can have several interpretations I guess.
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<phoe>
;; WARNING: redefining COMMON-LISP-USER::SICL in DEFIMPLEMENTATION
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<|3b|>
Several Interpretations Common Lisp?
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<bjorkintosh>
SICL Interpretation of Common Lisp
<bjorkintosh>
no further expansions.
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<decweb>
What's the popular (as in cheap but good enough) cloud option for hosting intermittent and/or full time SBCL web services? Nothing heavy for now, just light spidering, authentication callbacks, etc.
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<decweb>
and any tips on compiling/deploying sbcl apps? I generally develop on x86_64 linux, it's be nice to deploy a save-lisp-and-die exe. Alternatively fasls, if I can load them without blowing memory on a small memory instance.
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<phoe>
s-l-a-d works very well, so does compiling and running from source on targets
<phoe>
lisp has pretty fast compilation times all in all