00:18 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <frozen.synapse> Are devicetrees difficult or am I just a doofus? I added (using armbian-add-overlay) an overlay that uses a module I had to compile separately. I restart the board and I can't see any dmesgs about it

00:21 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <frozen.synapse> https://paste.armbian.com/zicuvocomu.cpp

00:34 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <frozen.synapse> I can't find any of these things in /sys/devices or /proc/devicetree

00:34 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <frozen.synapse> is it just not loading it?

05:10 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <Werner> Did you also enable it? Check /boot/armbianEnv.txt

08:06 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <quer_beet_ein> i want to backup my system but get this failure: sudo dd if=/dev/mmcblk1 bs=4M | pv | gzip > /home/backup.img.gz Permission denied

08:06 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <quer_beet_ein> what i do wrong?

08:16 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <Werner> Try as actual root, not sudo

08:38 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <quer_beet_ein> root@bigtreetech-cb2:/dev# sudo bash -c dd if=/dev/mmcblk1 | pv | gzip > /media/backup/backup.gz

08:38 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <quer_beet_ein> 0.00 B 0:00:37 [0.00 B/s] [<=>

08:38 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <quer_beet_ein> ok i got no error but it wont backup any informations......... no data moving

08:41 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <Werner> Is your rootfs on mmcblk1?

08:41 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <quer_beet_ein> yes

08:42 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <Werner> I won't recommend trying to backup the partiton with your running OS on. Rather boot from a microsd and then do an offline backup of your emmc

08:43 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <quer_beet_ein> is it the only way to make a backup of the whole emmc?

08:43 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <Werner> Probably yes unless the emmc chip is removable so it can be attached to a usb reader for example

08:44 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <quer_beet_ein> not really its a bigtreetech cb2 cob

08:44 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <quer_beet_ein> actual i dont have a microsd so then i have to buy one

08:45 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <Werner> having spare sd cards is always handy when playing with sbcs

12:09 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <igorpec> fingers https://github.com/armbian/build/pull/7609

13:28 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <Github> ✅ **Merged** into [armbian/build](<https://github.com/armbian/build>) by [igorpecovnik](<https://github.com/igorpecovnik>) - [Link](<https://github.com/armbian/build/commit/9b5dc3b0466420453c694db31a83ef11ef54eecd>): *Odroid XU4: remove deprecated patches*

13:29 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <Github> ✅ **Merged** into [armbian/build](<https://github.com/armbian/build>) by [igorpecovnik](<https://github.com/igorpecovnik>) - [Link](<https://github.com/armbian/build/commit/48ad33ed22dccec09a344114b9b37679cf8c048c>): *build(deps): bump actions/upload-artifact from 4.4.3 to 4.5.0*

13:42 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <Github> ✅ **Merged** into [armbian/build](<https://github.com/armbian/build>) by [chainsx](<https://github.com/chainsx>) - [Link](<https://github.com/armbian/build/commit/4c61f61a8e21baac2ae0a66b3c3e946ef512f80b>): *add community support for DShanPI-R1*

17:45 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <quer_beet_ein> so i got my image but in newer kernel versions there is no way like in the old images to change wifi credentials. looked for system.cfg but theres no way to find that . how can is set my wifi credentials before i put it in my sbc?

17:49 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <johnthecoolingfan> https://docs.armbian.com/User-Guide_Networking/

17:54 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <quer_beet_ein> there is no easier way before first boot?

17:55 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <johnthecoolingfan> You can edit teh configuration files on teh sd card

17:55 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <johnthecoolingfan> You can edit teh configuration files on the sd card before booting

17:55 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <johnthecoolingfan> https://docs.armbian.com/User-Guide_Networking/#connecting-to-wifi-network

17:56 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <johnthecoolingfan> https://docs.armbian.com/User-Guide_Networking/#connecting-to-wifi-network (link to the chapter specifically about wifi)

17:59 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <johnthecoolingfan> You can edit the configuration files on the sd card before booting

18:12 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <menu> there *is* the firstboot config but netplan is preferable

18:54 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <quer_beet_ein> ok is it so correct if i will put this as a file?

18:55 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <quer_beet_ein> without .txt ending

18:55 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <quer_beet_ein> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/857944478269702214/1321189487971405968/not_logged_in_yet.txt?ex=676c5518&is=676b0398&hm=b612af4ebfd86e422d64fa24270d6625aa63de6fc5fc6fb27a568e030c415973&

19:02 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <menu> in theory, yes

19:16 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <quer_beet_ein> ok i will try, but for my reasons the old style of firstboot config was much easier

19:16 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <menu> i will try to have the refactor done by the end of Jan, but i am currently very busy

19:18 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <quer_beet_ein> what refactor you will do?

21:24 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <Github> ✅ **Merged** into [armbian/build](<https://github.com/armbian/build>) by [igorpecovnik](<https://github.com/igorpecovnik>) - [Link](<https://github.com/armbian/build/commit/1ab73573f4c4d30c25afde15b29ea7bb75478ad8>): *Fix orangepizero wifi and usb otg (#7614)*

21:26 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <Github> ✅ **Merged** into [armbian/documentation](<https://github.com/armbian/documentation>) by [igorpecovnik](<https://github.com/igorpecovnik>) - [Link](<https://github.com/armbian/documentation/commit/54bffcbdfce4d486da0cd3eba9d4ea253aa8bc8e>): *`Automatic` documentation update*

21:33 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <Github> ✅ **Merged** into [armbian/build](<https://github.com/armbian/build>) by [igorpecovnik](<https://github.com/igorpecovnik>) - [Link](<https://github.com/armbian/build/commit/b80ff2c79a09146f4b78fae0ee5ff52df12965fc>): *JeteHome: update JetHub D2 dt file to cpu board rev1.3*

21:34 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <Github> ✅ **Merged** into [armbian/build](<https://github.com/armbian/build>) by [igorpecovnik](<https://github.com/igorpecovnik>) - [Link](<https://github.com/armbian/build/commit/4fd0e0c29d3f8e58c182f6c5042307bbb15163b2>): *rootfs-to-image: preserve sparse files when moving artefacts to final destination with rsync*

22:17 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <menu> refactoring firstboot config to be significantly more resilient and provide more options, there's a lot that requires pre-baking into a build right now and i'd like to reduce that

22:18 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <menu> i've currently got the loader interface built, debating adding json support as well as cfg/yaml/toml syntax

22:29 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <c0rnelius77> My problem with that file is it resides in the /root dir. Wouldn't it make more sense to make it as visible as possible? /boot. Also not make the file a secret, but call it something like /boot/credentials.txt.

22:31 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <c0rnelius77> Also forcing people to create a root account is a huge security mistake.

22:31 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <menu> yes, that's already covered by the new loader, it'll also support network loading and loading from a USB drive

22:32 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <menu> a root account is necessary on a debian-derived system, but it won't be enabled for login by default

22:32 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <c0rnelius77> The account yes... needing a password no. `sudo`

22:33 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <c0rnelius77> Let me reword that; Also forcing people to create a root account PASSWORD is a huge security mistake.

22:35 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <menu> sudo isn't always the only solution, i'll provide an interactive + predetermined option for both enabling the account and providing it a password

22:35 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <menu> bear in mind that my standard deployment of Armbian *requires* a root account as the only account with a login shell

22:36 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <c0rnelius77> I just feel, if people want a root password they can do it all on their own. They don't need Armbians help once the user account is created and has sudo prevs.

22:37 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <menu> the account isn't created and added to sudoers until after root login

22:37 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <c0rnelius77> Exactly. Thats a problem.

22:37 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <menu> that's... a function of not pre-baking users in

22:37 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <c0rnelius77> Nah

22:37 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <menu> it is not safe to run anything interactive prior to a login shell

22:38 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <c0rnelius77> You can create a service that creates the account during login.

22:38 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <c0rnelius77> You can create a service that creates the account during firstboot... sorrt

22:38 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <c0rnelius77> You can create a service that creates the account during firstboot... sorry

22:39 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <menu> and how exactly would that be interactive without a login shell?

22:41 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <c0rnelius77> Well there is a way for interactive but I've only been able to pull that off with a monitor. Which isn't ideal. The other option is to force users to edit a /boot/whatever.txt file and place in their user info. After the service runs, remove all traces of the file and service.

22:42 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <menu> that is... objectively worse

22:42 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <c0rnelius77> how so?

22:42 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <menu> because that stops images being flash-and-go

22:42 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <c0rnelius77> I'm speaking security. Not happy people that can't read.

22:43 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <menu> if it bothers you that much create a userpatch to change it, don't insult users that have different work flows to you.

22:44 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <c0rnelius77> I didn't think I was insulting anyone? But ok.

22:44 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <menu> > Not happy people that can't read.

22:44 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <menu> you'd literally be excluding all mac users from booting armbian on their SBC fwiw

22:45 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <c0rnelius77> If you set a standard than people will eventually follow it. The service could also be bypassed by not enabling it `ENABLE="false"`.

22:45 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <c0rnelius77> You know we can think out of the box here. Its not frowned upen.

22:45 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <menu> if you want to write a full userspace filesystem driver for ext4 for both Mac and windows go ahead, i'm not stopping you

22:46 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <menu> mounting the image is not always possible

22:46 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <c0rnelius77> I don't use macs and I just suggested a way around it. The service is disabled by default. For those who care to use it the options would be there.

22:47 <archetech> c0rn got any new boards lately

22:48 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <c0rnelius77> @archetech Nothing worth talking about. Maybe next year?

22:48 <archetech> k