00:14 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <johndemo> W: GPG error: https://github.armbian.com/configng stable InRelease: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY 93D6889F9F0E78D5

00:14 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <johndemo> hmmmmm

01:20 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <menu> you can manually add the key

03:33 <poddmo> I'd like to set consoleblank=600 on the kernel options, where are kernel options configured? armbian 24.8.4 on pi4

05:11 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <asadun5771> how do i upgrade my armbian instalation?

06:01 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <Werner> apt update

06:01 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <Werner> apt upgrade

06:09 <Herc> GM Werner, is there a reason / an advantage to use dist-upgrade on Armbian (like on other distros)?

06:15 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <Werner> I don't think so. Might be interesting when attempting userspace upgrades but otherwise...

06:20 <Herc> eg on raspiOS dist-(or full-)upgrade includes kernel upgrades, while plain apt upgrade doesn´t

06:21 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <johnthecoolingfan> I somewhat recently had to manually "upgrade" my armbian install to bookworm (all the way from buster) because I didn't knwo how to update a userspace. So is `dist-upgrade` what does it?

06:22 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <johnthecoolingfan> Was getting a lot of apt errors before I did upgrade

06:23 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <johnthecoolingfan> So I wold assume upgrading to a new distro edition is a very important and somewhat frequent thing to do when you have a server, not just "interesting"

06:24 <Herc> at least nou need to edit/update /etc/apt/sources.list first

06:24 <Herc> you*

06:30 <Herc> s/first/after upgrading the former main version first

06:30 <ArmbianHelper> Herc meant to say: at least nou need to edit/update /etc/apt/sources.list after upgrading the former main version first

07:50 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <igorpec> process of upgrading from Buster to Bookworm is hard to control from within Armbian. You are upgrading all packages on the system and only a few are Armbian work ... i am trying to add this functionality to the armbian-config https://github.com/armbian/configng/blob/main/tools/modules/system/release_upgrade.sh

07:51 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <johnthecoolingfan> Well, it's more of a debian upgrade than armbian

07:56 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <igorpec> yes of course, that's why its problematic from our perspective. We can't control that .. and in general such a massive upgrade is hard to control.

07:57 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <johnthecoolingfan> I don't understand the need for control when armbian is built *on top* of Debian, which is already supposed to have the mechanisms for distro edition upgrade, am I missing something?

07:59 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <igorpec> well, i am not sure they have this under control neither, but mechanism exists, yes

09:41 <DC-IRC> [OFTC] <MMGen> igorpec: The ability to upgrade Armbian with just an 'apt-get dist-upgrade' would be a very welcome addition

10:17 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <Werner> Armbian related packages don't need dist-upgrade to be dated from one release to another. Userspace upgrades are out of scope. At least with the resources we have at the moment. https://docs.armbian.com/User-Guide_FAQ/#can-i-upgrade-my-userspace-flavor-like-bullseye-to-bookworm-or-jammy-to-noble

10:24 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <igorpec> i will continue working on that, but currently its disabled as its not working well. stiil, this functionality will be kept under warning / always beta. As succeding this upgrade is beyond our power to secure

10:36 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <menu> 11>12 is not a clean upgrade, even on debian mainline things often break

11:16 <Herc> I darkly remember 10 --> 11 once worked for me on a plain Debian box, thanks for all the info, Igor

11:22 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <menu> Does the standard Python3 install not include pip?

12:10 <Herc> Werner, thx for yor reply too ofc, I overlooked it due to all the "Discord" noise ;)

18:22 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <mecoblock> Suggestion: First setup (even before typing in the new password) asking for keyboard locale

18:22 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <mecoblock> or have an option to not hide the pressed letters

19:17 <Herc> 1st step I do after setting a [a-y0-1] pw: set my local keyb via raspi-(<-from num-block!)config

19:18 <Herc> 0-9*

19:20 <Herc> coz selecting my locale (de_DE) doesn´t set a DE-kbd unfortunately