<dlcusa>
SiFuh, it seems I've gotten the Sabertooth to stop freezing while building kernels using -j 16 just by using 6.8.0. Building 6.8.8 now...
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<remiliascarlet>
SiFuh: Wasn't `dash` that `bash` clone Ubuntu uses?
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: No idea
<remiliascarlet>
farkuhar: "If [the maintainers] ain't having fun with CRUX they should, as a group, shrink the work as they see fit." Wasn't the whole point of CRUX to go (almost) always go with the simpler solution?
<remiliascarlet>
I'm fine if the maintainers want to make a Linux distro for themselves, but at least make that clear then! Just like with OpenBSD, their developers make their OS for themselves, and made that clear from the very beginning.
<remiliascarlet>
CRUX made is clear that they make a Linux distro that's as bloat free as possible.
<farkuhar>
remiliascarlet: In most projects, the advertising and documentation are usually updated later than the actual practices. CRUX has retained the advertising statement "trimmed down to remove unnecessary garbage" (which we inherited from the founders), even if current maintainers are deviating from that standard.
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<SiFuh>
Night before Jungle day trip and my battery is flat in my truck. Almost 2 years old.
<SiFuh>
Fortunately there is an Airconditioning Mechanic near my home who opens at 13:00 and closes at 21:00 and he sells batteries as well.
<farkuhar>
remiliascarlet: "maintainers want to make a Linux distro for themselves" <- sounds exactly like how SiFuh described the initial work by Per ("worked on a system and liked it, and made available to the public"). https://libera.irclog.whitequark.org/crux-social/2024-04-19#36196403;
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: And he wanted it slimmed down without bloatware and junk that you don't need. Hence no nls or README files and so on
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: on a side note, the reason for this was because disk space was expensive
<farkuhar>
In the early 2000's, disk space wasn't the only expensive requirement, so were RAM and CPU power. You wouldn't find me running a source-based distro until almost a decade later, when RAM and CPU prices had come down.
<remiliascarlet>
SiFuh: "my battery is flat in my truck" Don't make it even flatter, it might explode.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: Actually CRUX wasn't a source based distro. It was a binary based distro
<farkuhar>
SiFuh: when did it switch over and encourage users to compile packages from the ports collections?
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: Originally the only thing you compiled was the kernel. Hence the user was always looking for a super light, stripped down version which could compile easily
<SiFuh>
But the kernel wasn't as huge in size as it is today.
<SiFuh>
I am not entirely sure because but I know that if you wanted your own stuff you built it yourself or poached it from another distro and then battled the dependencies and incompatibilities.
<SiFuh>
I think initially pkgmk was for Per when he was building the binaries.
<farkuhar>
Kernel 6.8.8 is so huge, it freezes the Sabertooth that dlcusa is trying to resurrect.
<SiFuh>
I build 6.1.49 Today. Around midnight I started and it finished almost at 15:00
<SiFuh>
Even emmett1 was like "What kind of kernel takes that long to build?" Hahaha
<farkuhar>
Maybe not even the NetBSD kernel would take that long (with its 30 million loc).
<farkuhar>
dlcusa anticipated premature aging of his USB thumb drive, if he ran OpenBSD from it without the appropriate filesystem options (noatime?). Judging from the specs in SiFuh's screenshot, premature aging shouldn't be a huge consideration on such ancient hardware.
<SiFuh>
Premature aging of USB sticks are usually associated with two major factors. Heat and unplugging and plugging in constantly
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: I took the crux-musl-rootfs and manually built a bootable USB. Then I took it and manually built a bootable CRUX MUSL system by transferring the entire contents over from the USB. Now I am attempting to build the CRUX ISO under a musl environment. So yeah, I have a functioning CRUX MUSL computer behind be compiling the ISO. It won't be done today for sure. Because there are some ports that
<SiFuh>
may need patching in opt (Not sure yet) only at stage 0 bootstrap.
<SiFuh>
I won't be doing any tomorrow because I can't compile and drive offroad at the same time. So Thursday I should return to it. Although I have over a hundred bottles of beer to bottle
<farkuhar>
It's strange to read works from the golden age of science fiction, where the authors posit the existence of 900-year-old androids with no gaps in their memory. These authors omit any details on the continual replacement of circuit boards that eventually wear out.
<SiFuh>
farkuhar: My Casio W-741 1275 is still ggoing strong.
<SiFuh>
So is the Radio Shack Analog Multimeter from my Grandfather and my Texas Instrument Fluke from the 70's
<farkuhar>
Well, I'm glad to hear that SiFuh is trying to repackage emmett1's rootfs into a bootable ISO. All that bootstrapping will take a toll on somebody's hardware, but did it have to be hardware located in a region that's suffering a heat wave?
<SiFuh>
29 Celsius according the Weather man
<SiFuh>
33.6 according to my thermometer
<farkuhar>
I wonder if they called it "countersteering" because it's counterintuitive to push on the right handlebar when you want to turn right. Similarly, it's counterintuitive to eat hot food in a hot climate, but if it gets you to sweat more, that provides some relief.
<SiFuh>
I don't steer on the handle bars. I always lean and turn my head.
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<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: "I want to tell you about a girl who only eats plants. You've probably never heard of herbivore."
<dlcusa>
In level 1, you see non-countersteered changes caused by the rider subtly shifting the CG. Countersteering works due to gyroscopic presession of the front wheel.
<dlcusa>
In emergency situations, you cannot lean your way out of it--that's too slow.