<remiliascarlet>
Even though this road looks quite a lot like a penis with balls.
<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: You make me laugh some times
<dlcusa>
As expected, USB is now providing OpenBSD where'ere it is booted, and I am very busy reading its man pages.
<dlcusa>
Next get it to mount ext4 RO and run xz, preferably via tar tvJ, then I can see if the OpenBSD kernel fares no better on this box than Linux.
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<remiliascarlet>
I saw a thread on UnitedBSD about HyperbolaBSD, everyone there believes it's a meme (and perhaps it is).
<remiliascarlet>
I said previously that there's just no niche it's trying to fulfil other than trying to suck off Stallman's cock, every of the main 4 BSD's fulfil a specific niche, and do it well.
<remiliascarlet>
What's more meme-like is that they even say that they forked this "totally proprietary" OpenBSD kernel and userland, and are rewriting it to GPL counterparts. So basically going from proprietary... to proprietary, but one that Stallman approves of.
<remiliascarlet>
Leftist logic: they hate a certain person so much, they allow them to live rent free in their minds forever.
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<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: When you cross over the bridge into Laos there is a traffic light and you change to the right
<lavaball>
apparently they can't test for mrna or spike protein from the vaccine.
<remiliascarlet>
SiFuh: So basically, we watching through Invidious was the best way of watching JewTube all along.
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<SiFuh>
remiliascarlet: That video of the boulders rolling accross the road is a good example why when rocks are falling off cliffs you should stand against the cliff face and not look up. If those cars moved to the right side as closely as possible the boulders would have just gone over their cars
<remiliascarlet>
SiFuh: That traffic light reminds me to those start/finish lines you often see in racing games.
<SiFuh>
Yeah I thought so too
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<SiFuh>
I wrote the script a while ago because I use to filezilla and beerman just dumped it without warning. Then chinarulezzz chucked a sissy fit and put it back and beerman exploded. Then chinarulezzz changed his name to FILEZILLA to piss beerman off. So in the end, I decided to just write my own script so I don't need to bother with filezilla
<remiliascarlet>
I know, and that caused me being unable to upgrade, because riken.jp doesn't have 7.5 on their servers yet.
<SiFuh>
Probably not fully complete yet either.
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<remiliascarlet>
And also figured out that not only FreeBSD, but OpenBSD too doesn't like the picom.conf file I imported from Linux.
<farkuhar>
I wonder if Per would really approve of deleting pkgutils from core, considering how much work he put into it: cd pkgutils-5.40.10 && head -n 5 *.cc
<farkuhar>
Copyright (c) 2000-2005 Per Liden
<SiFuh>
I mentioned before, I wouldn't put it in core but because it is more CRUX than CRUX itself, I didn't chuck up a stink about it.
<farkuhar>
Has anyone spoken with Per since the early 2000's? Maybe get a sense of what he thinks of the current direction CRUX is headed?
<SiFuh>
Last I heard I thought he got a job working for Solaris or something.
<farkuhar>
Before the Flyspray instance went offline, I kept revisiting this one comment by therealfun (paraphrasing here): "things go in the direction you point them. I see CRUX keeps adding complexity but removing none."
<farkuhar>
therealfun was riffing on the observation that Arch PKGBUILDS had grown so much more complex after Aaron (or was it Judd?) took the reins. He warned CRUX against following down the same path.
<SiFuh>
Per Lidén: So far I’ve used plain vanilla Linus-trees as the default kernel in CRUX. I’ve had thoughts about adding XFS and/or JFS, but I’ve decided to wait for the moment. I don’t really think the default kernel in CRUX is that important anyway. Since CRUX is targeted at “experienced Linux users” (whatever that means 😉 it is my belief that users themselves will download and apply the
<SiFuh>
patches they want to use. Actually, I’d say that this is partly what CRUX is about. With its relatively small package collection, I expect users to download and compile their favourite programs, and tweak the system the way they like it.
<farkuhar>
Only 4 hours to bootstrap an entire core build, on hardware from over twenty years ago? Must have been a very efficiently-coded core collection, or Per had access to cutting-edge hardware. The computers I used at the time would crawl to a standstill for at least 12 hours, when given such a bootstrapping job.
<farkuhar>
A slimmed-down core collection in 2001 is the most plausible explanation for faster bootstrapping. Back then it wouldn't have included meson, ninja, python3, or linux-pam.
<zorz>
farkuhar: do you really need meson, ninja, python3, or linux-pam in core? since it is gcc?
<farkuhar>
zorz: have you been following the discussion for the past few days? SiFuh tried to update an old CRUX installation and ran into issues because of linux-pam. Then he started complaining here about how bloated the core collection had become.
<farkuhar>
[ meningococcal ~]> Download-OpenBSD.sh ... Another demonstration that hyphens are okay in the filename of an executable, but not in the name of a shell function. I conjectured that prt-get was named that way in order to prevent being masked by a shell function (at least if a user ran ~/.profile through shellcheck).
<farkuhar>
devfsd, the forerunner of udev and eudev? Wow, that core collection is a trip down memory lane.
<farkuhar>
Those last-modified timestamps look suspicious. Why update crux-1.3 almost a year after crux-2.0 is released?
<SiFuh>
Hehe
<SiFuh>
If I was to take a wild stab at a guess, possibly data corruption around 2013 and sourced a new copy from another location
<farkuhar>
Ah, the old bitrot excuse. That's probably also why the link to ppetrov^s CRUX review disappeared from the homepage recently.
<farkuhar>
"He does the work you're not willing to do; that's why he gets the license to steer the distro wherever he wants it to go" (paraphrasing). But what if the reason we're not "willing to do" that work is because we prefer to keep bloatware off our systems (remiliascarlet's response to the "99% of software is unavailable on OpenBSD")? By taking this stand do the users effectively forfeit their voice on how the distro should
<farkuhar>
evolve?
<SiFuh>
Well you all so his attitude towards her opinions
<SiFuh>
so/saw
<SiFuh>
He called her a tin-foiled-hat wearer. Hahaha
<farkuhar>
So basically, the first person who brings to CRUX an outlier appetite for new software, can turn around and accuse old-timers of not contributing enough (a convenient excuse for silencing their opinions)?
<SiFuh>
Yes!
<farkuhar>
dlcusa: you defended this behavior?
<dlcusa>
I defended their ownership of what they produce and I thank them for their efforts. I do not defend their wrong-headed philosophies, only their right to them.
<dlcusa>
And I vote with my feet.
<farkuhar>
Granted, they own what they produce. But then the choice "not to produce" is cast in a poorer light than it ought to be. They get to frame it as "failing to contribute", rather than "resisting the adoption of bloated new software".
<dlcusa>
The illogic should be obvious to all.
<farkuhar>
I dunno, framing effects are powerful in today's short-attention-span world.
<dlcusa>
If reasonable discussion with mutual respect is not possible, what can you do?
<SiFuh>
Well, I didn't insult anyone what I was talking about how linux-PAM was bloatware. Didn't take long for people to jump in and insult me instead.
<dlcusa>
There's no failure to contribute if you're producing a fork.
<SiFuh>
Almost all of us have contributed. So saying that we contribute nothing is short-sighted and insulting.
<dlcusa>
Again, when reason is not possible...
<dlcusa>
Does anyone remember the birth of Funtoo and why?
<SiFuh>
Well just because someone contributes daily, doesn't give them any right to abuse those who also have or are still contributing, but not enough when they compare their work load with yours.
<dlcusa>
But you cannot compel them, only persuade them.
<SiFuh>
Didn't get a chance. I put my opinion forward and then even the zero contributes jumped out of the wood work to scream abuse
<ppetrov^>
SiFuh, you are relentless. In a way I truly admire you. :)
<zorz>
farkuhar: Funtoo was created by Daniel Robbins, who was one of the original developers of Gentoo. The creation of Funtoo came about due to disagreements and arguments among Gentoo developers about the direction and management of the project. Robbins wanted more control over the project and its leadership, so he decided to fork Gentoo and create Funtoo as a more community-driven and transparent
<SiFuh>
So apparently having an opinion is looked down upon in #crux now.
<zorz>
alternative.
<SiFuh>
zorz: basically beerman should fork CRUX :-P
<zorz>
hahaha
<dlcusa>
So put out CRUX-Lite and enjoy when it supersedes CRUX in mindshare.
<SiFuh>
Haha farkuhar and I were discussing names CRUX-Lite, CRUX-ng, CRUX-og
<dlcusa>
Real CRUX.
<zorz>
crux-cc
<zorz>
crux-c99
<SiFuh>
'The Real CRUX' sounds cool
<farkuhar>
Ortho-CRUX
<zorz>
as you say The Real Housewifes :Ppp
<zorz>
Orthodox!
<ppetrov^>
OrthodoxCRUX
<SiFuh>
CRUX Old Skool! We already have the package list. :-)
<farkuhar>
Did Funtoo ever manage to overtake Gentoo in mindshare?
<farkuhar>
Forks generally don't have a good track record of getting more name recognition than the original.
<SiFuh>
I don't like the idea of how Funtoo came about because of what zorz posted the guy wanted more control. For CRUX I don't want any control. I want all decision making to be done by the useres and I just don't want junk in it.
<SiFuh>
"Actually, I’d say that this is partly what CRUX is about. With its relatively small package collection, I expect users to download and compile their favourite programs, and tweak the system the way they like it." -- Per Liden
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<ppetrov^>
so, why blame beerman, then?
<SiFuh>
Because he was the abusive taunting one
<zorz>
ppetrov^: have you ever heard of casualties ? hahaha
<SiFuh>
And I already discussed it with jaeger as well
<zorz>
best English word... casualties.... not in greek.
<ppetrov^>
zorz, Slackware opposed pam for many years
<zorz>
maybe is good to find, an old version of slack pam free.
<ppetrov^>
when I started using it, Pat dropped GNOME, so I switched to Dropline Gnome for Slackware. There was a huge discussion, a never ending one, about Dropline adding PAM
<ppetrov^>
i do not even know what exactly PAM does, so I do not care whether it's in CRUX's core or in Slackware
<zorz>
/etc/passwd
<zorz>
/etc/adduser
<SiFuh>
I find it funny that the same people pushing and defending PAM are the usually the same who have a beef about systemd
<zorz>
plugable authenticating device
<ppetrov^>
ah, systemd. What's next to bitch about? Pulseaudio?
<ppetrov^>
thanks zorz
<SiFuh>
ppetrov^: Pulesaudio isn't in core though and if it was, I'd fucking hit the roof. hahaha
<zorz>
they needed pam for enviroments like xfce kde,,,, but now seatd gives seat daemon.
<SiFuh>
zorz: Funny how your slackware article says PAM is safe now. Yet there have been a few PAM vulnerabilites since 2020
<zorz>
its not mine article.
<zorz>
i am saying that even slack.... introduced pam.
<SiFuh>
Slackware doesn't even care about systemd. They just remain neutral on it
<zorz>
redhat is the evil
<SiFuh>
A lot of the people who develop linux-PAM also develop systemd
<zorz>
redhat
<zorz>
man... if you wanna hack... just study systemd. its enough... time systemd dns sytemd pam systemd systemd is the problem.
<SiFuh>
Tim Bierman is known for Pearl Jam: Gigaton Theater Experience (2020), Pearl Jam: Dance of the Clairvoyants (Mach III) (2020) and Pearl Jam: Dance of the Clairvoyants (Mach II) (2020).
<SiFuh>
Tim Bierman is known for Pearl Jam: Gigaton Theater Experience (2020), Pearl Jam: Dance of the Clairvoyants (Mach III) (2020) and Pearl Jam: Dance of the Clairvoyants (Mach II) (2020).
<SiFuh>
Ooops
<SiFuh>
zorz: Gold hit 2,300
<zorz>
get ready for war.
<zorz>
get ready for crypto collapse.... check silver.
<SiFuh>
No
<zorz>
this fucking banker sciff is right!
<zorz>
now, on the topic, SiFuh is right core linux installation should be a working colsole with internet connection
<zorz>
all the rest is opt or extra name it as you like.
<zorz>
SiFuh: can you change dpaste not to post .txt ? :Pp
<SiFuh>
No
<SiFuh>
Why can't you?
<SiFuh>
Let me guess, you need the pretty colours so you can understand it?
<serpente>
zorz: i run a slack64 15.0 multilib on my lap and was able to remove pam, but it requires a bit of work, have to recompile some stuff and lock some updates
<zorz>
no as txt, the link opens directly in vim and gives me a line carriage.
<zorz>
SiFuh: you have the ports? you created ports dir?
<SiFuh>
I download everything. I put on an external drive later. That way if I have no internet I can still have full access to all the ports
<zorz>
I see preparing for jungle / war i scoming :P
<SiFuh>
That way if there is an apocalyspe, I still can install OpenBSD
<zorz>
fuck is great script
<zorz>
SiFuh: why bash and not ksh ?
<SiFuh>
Because I originally wrote it on CRUX
<zorz>
serpente: i think deserves the work to be pam free. since now you can use libseat.
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<zorz>
i did not install bash on obsd.
<SiFuh>
/usr/local/bin/bash
<zorz>
and if i did not need emacs for manipulating html pages... i would have uninstalled them. with emcas-gtk i have bonus tree-sitter(rust) and xdg-utils(xdg-open) fuck shake.
<zorz>
./exec which bash
<SiFuh>
fuck shake? HAHAHA
<zorz>
22:08:44 which: bash: Command not found.
<SiFuh>
cat /etc/shells |grep bash
<SiFuh>
You know it isn;t 'shake' right?
<zorz>
hahaha
<zorz>
yes
<SiFuh>
It's "For fuck's sake"
<zorz>
zorz:zorz:7$ cat /etc/shells |grep bash
<zorz>
zorz:zorz:8$
<zorz>
see my promt... i did this PROMPT='$USER:$(basename "$PWD"):!$ '
<zorz>
basename, so i do not get the full path of pwd.
<zorz>
if you speak with a greek he will tell you my enemy is israel... do not look now that they work together because of islam.
<zorz>
greeks & israelis cooperate because of islam... other wise they are the worst enemies :)))
<SiFuh>
Falafel is a deep-fried ball or patty-shaped fritter of Egyptian origin, featuring in Middle Eastern cuisine, particularly Levantine cuisines, and is made from broad beans, ground chickpeas, or both. Falafel is often served in a pita, samoon, laffa, or wrapped in a flatbread known as taboon; "falafel" also frequently refers to a wrapped sandwich that is prepared in this way.
<zorz>
i dont like falafel
<SiFuh>
zorz: I met a Greek man once. I asked him for directions and he said he doesn't know. So I thanked him and he replied "For fucking what?"
<zorz>
hahaha
<zorz>
at least he said i do not know... i hate people that try to know when they do not know....
<SiFuh>
As I said the other day. The elites that rule over us are to be pure bloods (Basicaly incest white people) and the rest of the world will be mixed blooded slaves
<zorz>
fuck the system, fuck the elites.
<SiFuh>
They are just old people with money
<zorz>
this elites, at the end will help islam to destroy israel
<SiFuh>
Ever notice that racism was not an issue for a long time in the US until Barak Obama came on the scenes?
<SiFuh>
Dude, we are alrady up to season 20 of Ancient Aliens
<zorz>
first time i see ancient aliens.
<zorz>
dude the PS1 is amazing... thanx
<ppetrov^>
ah, vanga
<SiFuh>
Yes, apparently she could access information using her pineal gland. Rumor has it that she was able to see Akashic records
<SiFuh>
Well parts of the Akashic records
<ppetrov^>
i'm not the type to believe in that crap, sorry. When I was a child, she was of course very popular
<ppetrov^>
her 'prophecies' were so vague that one could interpret them in many different ways and you'd always "find something" if you wanted
<SiFuh>
Sounds like you are talking about horoscopes ;-)
<zorz>
:)
<zorz>
ppetrov^: :)
<ppetrov^>
exactly
<ppetrov^>
vanga this, vanga that...
<ppetrov^>
give me a break...
<zorz>
we had a similar priest in greece.... oo god.
<ppetrov^>
the 90s were full of paranormal activities, people with extra sence, etc
<ppetrov^>
i can assure you zorz very few people take them "prophecies" seriously nowadays
<SiFuh>
I had a lady who use to write horoscopes for the newspaper. She said they are bullshit. We just learn to write things that everyone feels they are, thinks they are, and throw in a few 'may's as in (You may find true love) and she said you can swap the any horoscope with another and you will find something in it that is definitley you.
<zorz>
SiFuh: dune2 only ts ?
<SiFuh>
04:48 and already 25 Celsius
<zorz>
from now temp goes up?
<ppetrov^>
it's -10 here
<ppetrov^>
:P
<SiFuh>
zorz: Yeah
<zorz>
fuck,,,,
<SiFuh>
Dune 2 is only cam versions
<SiFuh>
zorz: Sun doesn't even rise yet
<zorz>
i just found one greek.. i ll give it a try
<zorz>
man this is not good. too tropical
<SiFuh>
Sun should rise around 07:09
<zorz>
put the eggs on the cement for breakfast
<SiFuh>
Our shortest day will be 21 december (11 hours 55 mins 15 sec) and longest day will be 21 june (12 hours 19 mins 15 sec). Take that flat Earth morons!
<SiFuh>
Shortest day in Hobart will be 20 june (9 hours 0 mins 44 sec) and the longest will be 21 december (15 hours 20 mins 53 sec)
<zorz>
SiFuh: i do not know if this comforts you but, for the last 5 days did not use the fireplace.
<zorz>
haha starts getting worms in greece aswell, now its 6 degrees.
<SiFuh>
Moscow will be 21 december (6 hours 59 mins 50 sec) and 20 june (17 hours 33 mins 31 sec)
<zorz>
summer time sleeping in moscow is day from 4am
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