<heat>
huh i think i know why grub-install is being so inconsistent... the page caches for the various partitions are fighting over themselves
<heat>
i think
<geist>
oh man i just got out my old ipod and am hanging out at the coffee shop
<geist>
i feel so retro man
<geist>
actually kinda curious how long the batteries last after having been charged for the first time in years
<heat>
lol
<heat>
i mean you have a VAX at home and the ipod makes you feel retro?
<geist>
i can't take the vax with me
<heat>
that sounds like a challenge
<geist>
now i just need a zune
<geist>
what's actually kinda interesting is the noise floor on these old ipods is not that great. somewhat surprisingly anything else i plug it into is totally clean
<geist>
with very sensitive in ear headphones i can hear it when the dac comes on and off, as i can on pretty much anything
<geist>
laptop and phone with one of the usb/audio jack things though are totally clean
<geist>
i guess modern tech really is better
<geist>
from poking around it seems the quality of the dacs on the ipod classics, especially around gen 5, was fairly variable
<geist>
that + some very sensitive earpods and you can really hear it
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<geist>
gcc 14.1 released
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<kof673>
> if you see two people named max do you say they're maxen i just do it because it was egyptian...yes, that is how they saw it...equinoxes :D
<kof673>
that is ONE person, "spirit" and "matter" or whatever
<geist>
as a side note i think the -en part is leftover germanic stuff
<geist>
like it's supposed to be only used in old german stuff
<kof673>
whenever there is a full moon, it is imagined opposite sign wherever the sun is imagined to be. point: this opposite stuff goes year round, every month as well lol
<kof673>
they meet...they separate...over and over lol
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<zid`>
geist: -en stuff is old english
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<geist>
yah, old germanic stuff
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<zid`>
no I think it's literally old english
<zid`>
but it could be germanic, I'll check
<nikolar>
It is Germanic as in the old English is Germanic
<nikolar>
I assume that's what geist means
<nikolar>
As opposed to non Germanic influences
<zid`>
right but 'les' is french not latin, despite french being modern modern latin
<nikolar>
Well Germanic != German
<nikolar>
Germanic refers to the language family English belongs to
<zid`>
yes
<nikolar>
So still works
<zid`>
but presumably it has a *meaning*
<zid`>
what would it ==?
<geist>
oh i was just some thing that google had returned that i had remembered seeing before
<geist>
basically old english used -en and some other archaic forms for plurals and it was directly out of old germanic stuff
<zid`>
seems the -en held on in middle english in the south
<geist>
but it got dropped in general later on
<zid`>
yea I really don't think it was from old germanic
<zid`>
I think it was an original english invention
<geist>
i think it was like -es too, also old
<zid`>
but it just fell out of use by late middle english
<geist>
like actor actress, etc
<geist>
steward stewardess
<zid`>
brethren is purely english at least (and thus children)
<nikolar>
zid` German itself has plurals ending in -en
<nikolar>
It's a pre English thing
<zid`>
says who?
<geist>
yah google says this too
<zid`>
I mean, says who is that relevent?
* geist
shrugs
<nikolar>
You say it's an English innovation?
<nikolar>
How's that not relevant
<zid`>
because.. as you noted, they're all germanic languages, you'd *expect* overlap in innovation
<zid`>
You have to prove one took the words from the other, or both had it while the language was still shared
<zid`>
not just say "they both have words ending in n"
<nikolar>
Not in innovation, if you see overlap, overwhelmingly it's because it was inherited
<nikolar>
Not innovated
<zid`>
Exept this is like, 4 words in english
<kazinsal>
one of the hazards of concocting languages by compiling bits of various other langauges
<zid`>
overlap is a *very* rich take
<geist>
vaxen!
<geist>
5 words
<zid`>
oxen, vaxen, children, brethren
<geist>
vaxen
<kazinsal>
boxen
<nikolar>
You said overlap first?
<geist>
this is a pretty silly thing to be arguing. there's probably whole papers written about the topic
<zid`>
I applied it to a different noun, I said that if I start with proto-germanic, and pick random mutations, some of them will be shared with someone else doing the same thing
<zid`>
arguing?
<zid`>
forgor how sensitive geist is
<zid`>
nikolapdp: wanna go discord instead?
<kazinsal>
and if there aren't papers on it, I'm sure the lot of us could concoct one in a few hours
<geist>
well, no i just mean it's probably easier to just go find the papers on it
<kazinsal>
A Non-Comprehensive Taxonomy Regarding Middle Germanic Influenced -en Suffixes for English X-Suffixed Nouns
<geist>
there are a few random linquistic sites that seem to imply that there were a lot more plural suffixes in old english, much as how german has, but over time they were generally dropped
<geist>
such that of the -ens only 4 words are left
<geist>
so presumably there are written records that showed the other forms in use and would be pretty easy to line up with the german versions
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<zid`>
geist: except they don't :p
<zid`>
kinder and children
<zid`>
but yea, english and german both had 20 rules for pluralization, that 1 suffix is shared says nothing, especially because the modern versions of the words don't even match each other
<zid`>
strongly points to them being co-incidental
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<heat>
no one says boxen
<nikolapdp>
patchen
<heat>
zid`, whats your favourite dark souls character?
<heat>
mine is patchen
<heat>
what a devious mf that guy
<zid`>
heat: who, not what
<zid`>
And the answer is obvious, sieglinde
<nikolapdp>
sieglinden
<zid`>
no that's a bracketing issue
<zid`>
her name is siegli, and it's -n for plural and -de for feminine
<zid`>
(this is a real thing that happens constantly in german)
<zid`>
They confuse words that are already plural with stem words and end up double pluralizing them
<bslsk05>
en.wiktionary.org: children - Wiktionary, the free dictionary
<zid`>
bacterias
<zid`>
1 fish, 2 fishes, 3 fishest
<nikolapdp>
4 fishmost
<heat>
fishen
<heat>
okay grub-install seems to kind of work now, yay
<heat>
i'm happy
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<nikolapdp>
gruben
<ddevault>
as expected implementing getcwd is a bitch
<ddevault>
I also found that my walk implementation cannot backtrack over mountpoints, which is cool
<nikolapdp>
finding bugs is cool
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<heat>
yep
<heat>
the worst part about getcwd is that it's a completely inverse operation to path walking
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<heat>
so you get the typical lock inversion problems
<ddevault>
I might bullshit it for now, since this is just a toy project
<ddevault>
store the cwd as a string on the process node and update it whenever calling chdir
<ddevault>
with a comment: // TODO: rewrite your entire VFS layer you dumb fuck
<heat>
that doesn't /really/ work though
<ddevault>
I am aware
<heat>
i'm not sure if anything specifies it in POSIX, but most implementations return canonical names
<ddevault>
oh I'd canonicalize it
<heat>
i.e not /././././//.//./root, but /root
<ddevault>
I dropped in some code from the hard stdlib to canonicalize paths ages ago
<heat>
the same applies to symlinks
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<ddevault>
I also suspect that all of these refcounts I'm juggling have issues all over the place
<heat>
my refcounts are also a bit fucked, my locking is at times also a bit fucked
<heat>
keep calm and enjoy the ride
<netbsduser>
when refcounts/lifetime and locking interact things get really enjoyable
<netbsduser>
i think i can do getcwd quite easily with my new namecache though, open files are namecache handles (pair namecache pointer and vfs pointer; permits nullfs/"bind" mounts) and child namecache entries retain their parents
<ddevault>
yeah, that's the right solution
<ddevault>
but I painted myself into a bit of a corner so I have to rewrite a bunch of shit to accomodate that
<heat>
paint yourself into corners eh?
<heat>
congratulations you are now an official UNIX(r) kernel programmer
<heat>
i just did man fork, and it found a GNU AWK extension module man page for a fork extension
<heat>
i have many questions but the first one is "why"
<gog>
awk can do anything
<heat>
i know gawk is turing complete, that's not the problem. the problem is "fork, really?"
<zid`>
As you invest more time into a rust program, the more uses of unsafe will appear to make it not suck performance wise etc
<zid`>
As you invest more time into a C program, compiler warnings get better, static analyzers get smarter, etc
<nikolar>
Heh
<netbsduser>
GeDaMo: not a bad day here today
<GeDaMo>
The sun's trying to shine here but it's still overcast
<netbsduser>
well it feels warm enough to me
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<heat>
its a hellish 28C here
<nikolapdp>
22C here
<acidx>
it's a nice 10C here :3
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<heat>
southern hemisphere moment
<acidx>
I'm in the northern hemisphere
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<heat>
weren't you in brazil?
<acidx>
I am brazilian, but I don't live in brazil. :)
<zid`>
southern portugal moment
<heat>
ah :)
<heat>
yes zid southern portugal moment indeed
<heat>
but not too south
<zid`>
wouldn't wanna get too close to the moors
<heat>
algarve is way worse cuz of the golf stream IIRC
<zid`>
the golf stream, it makes it warmer because the golf balls warm up in africa, and then get putted to portugal
<heat>
yes, then the brits come play golf
<nikolapdp>
great energy transfer
<zid`>
we hit all the cold balls back to africa, and drink all the cold beer
<zid`>
portugoose warming crisis
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* geist
yawns
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<nikolar>
Hello geist
<geist>
hola
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<kof673>
i never read that, but thought i should mention a fox lol > Why's (Poignant) Guide to Ruby. Contents. 3. A Quick (and Hopefully Painless) Ride Through Ruby (with Cartoon Foxes)
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<zid`>
nikolar powerlevel my sorc for me
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<nikolapdp>
:(
<zid`>
is that face because the answer is no
<nikolapdp>
yes
<zid`>
Ah so you're lamenting your future for when I become supreme overlord of serbia, understandable
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<Ermine>
hm, modprobe -r btusb brings my wi-fi adapter back to life
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<Ermine>
mt7921u in general seems to be problematic
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