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<mattsm>
If I want to learn yocto where should I start?
<paulg>
I am pretty sure there are getting started guides out there that google can find you ; I'd suggest getting a download started as you read some of them.
<mattsm>
Hi paulg you I and zeddii got trashed together once in san diego
<mattsm>
I think I was the most trashed though ;-)
<mattsm>
That was the night I slapped @RP
<mattsm>
;-) xoxo
<mattsm>
Just made a slack @ mistake
<zeddii>
haha!
<zeddii>
mattsm: was out at baseball. missed the trolling!
<mattsm>
I was actually showing my wife how to join irc channels... but most of the libera equivalents are empty... but yocto folks got em all moved over
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<OutBackDingo>
mattsm: get a board, build an image and flash plenty of guides out there to get you started really.
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<LetoThe2nd>
yo dudX
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<RP>
mattsm: The next day I remember you looking really worried asking about that too :)
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<lukma>
RP: Thanks for the fix :-)
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<RP>
lukma: it would be great if people relying on some of these features could help with the bug fixing and future development of them. eSDK needs to TLC
<RP>
needs some
<LetoThe2nd>
+love
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<splatch>
hey folks, I have a question related to image types as well as to swupdate. I know swupdate doesn't have to be a thing here, but I found an issue after upgrade do gatesgarth. My earlier config of swupdate did refer image with "direct.p2.gz" format. Now it is gone and I have only "ext4.gz". Is there any change I missed between these releases? I was looking at oe/bitbake sources but I haven't found any
<splatch>
references to "direct.p2.gz" at all.
<splatch>
I wouldn't worry much about that change, but when I did update with that swu file on my test installation it did run out of disk space.
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<LetoThe2nd>
splatch: "p2.gz" is not a generic image type, but something that is provided by some layer that you use. so find out which layer provides it, and why it is gone.
<splatch>
hm, this might then be swupdate itself, cause I have only meta-oe, meta-intel, meta-zulu (java) and mta-swupdate. Out of these I can almost certainly bet that image formats are coming from first and last
<LetoThe2nd>
splatch: betting != knowing. and it is also not necessarily a real format, but only a custom rename, link or output name.
<splatch>
LetoThe2nd: I need to balance learning as I am kinda of behind schedule. The awful thing is that this mysterious "p2" format is not referenced anywhere and it seems to cause different handling on real hardware afterwards.
<splatch>
As much as I can find references for bitbake/poky and other oe related things, swupdate remains a mystery to me
<LetoThe2nd>
splatch: i am pretty certain that the format is not exactly "mysterious", but if you go for a "bitbake -e" on the original build it will probably reveal itself relatively quickly.
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<splatch>
ok, let me stash what I did and test thing
<LetoThe2nd>
splatch: plus, it might be a false positive, but your irc login suggests that you are online as root, and i would suggest fixing that real soon.
<splatch>
LetoThe2nd: it is true, this is a vps which is soon to be teared down
<LetoThe2nd>
*shrug*
<splatch>
LetoThe2nd: I recall one of your last videos on yocto where you did talk about producing docker images out of build. I admit I have tried your way but failed (last year). Given that it would boost quite a bit testing I still hope to get this running. Do you maybe know some project which does that and it works? :)
<splatch>
[using an opportunity to inquiry you directly!]
<LetoThe2nd>
splatch: "out of build"?
<splatch>
out of bitbake
<LetoThe2nd>
splatch: you can happily create various container formats, and meta-virt brings a lot of support. docker however relies on the daemon running on the system, hence cannot directly be created.
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<splatch>
LetoThe2nd: fixed at least one thing ;-)(
<LetoThe2nd>
splatch: namely?
<splatch>
root
<splatch>
I might not be able to build a full image for warrior since some of artifacts are not reachable. Will retry, in worst case I will need to reduce scope of build to minimal image
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<splatch>
LetoThe2nd: I have older branch checked out, out of `bitbake -e` I get python code as output. No p2, direct.p2 can be found. For fstypes there are only types I have specified in build ([ext4.gz wic.gz wic.bmap wic.vmdk], [tar.gz], [cpio.gz]).
<LetoThe2nd>
splatch: bitbake -e does not exactly give you python, but it might contain some. and as you explicitly stated your layers, which did not inlude meta-rte.....
<splatch>
yes, so meta-rte is the only one project in github which has this p2.gz referenced. I try to use it as a crossing point, maybe wrong, but .p2 format does not come from that layer. If it would then I think bitbake or QA would report an missing or unsupported option in new releases.
<LetoThe2nd>
like i said, ot maybe is not an image_fstype, but only some way that overrides the name of the generated file.
<splatch>
just traced .bbappend, .bb and .inc with find. None of layer files (beside mine which expects it) mentions direct.p2 there. For p2 itself all references seem to be "help2man" or "bzip2". This is a well hidden feature. ;-)
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<splatch>
LetoThe2nd: everything clear, the p2 format was retained by patch to 'image_types_wic.bb' which didn't apply to latest releases.
<LetoThe2nd>
splatch: in which layer? ;-)
<splatch>
LetoThe2nd: as far I can see poky
<LetoThe2nd>
splatch: sounds highly questionable.
<LetoThe2nd>
splatch: what is this patch, and where did it come frmo?
<splatch>
the p2 format is additional thing made by 3mdeb folks to retain parition files from wic
<splatch>
Looking now at meta-rte and I can't see it there
<LetoThe2nd>
splatch: sorry, but what you are saying makes no sense. you stated that you are not using meta-rte, and therefore the patch could not have been in your initial build.
<splatch>
LetoThe2nd: gimme sec, I think I'm on the way to trace it in github then it will become clear
<splatch>
so you was right in saying that p2 comes from one of layers I got, my assumption that it was swupdate was wrong, and luckily I will be able to fix issue after re-applying some patchwork
<LetoThe2nd>
i can't follow, but hey. if it works for you, whatever.
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<splatch>
LetoThe2nd: sorry for being chaotic, with your suggestions I was able to trace it back. Thank you for partience and assistance.
<LetoThe2nd>
have fun!
<splatch>
build is on the way!
<splatch>
My first 5.10 build ever!
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<dvorkindmitry>
how can I append environment variable or do_install action?
<dvorkindmitry>
for do_install action
<LetoThe2nd>
dvorkindmitry: you can set arbitrarily named variables anywhere in the recipe
<dvorkindmitry>
LetoThe2nd, may I set it like this MYVAR=xxx at any line of the recipe?
<LetoThe2nd>
dvorkindmitry: as long as xxx is constant, yes.
<LetoThe2nd>
dvorkindmitry: look at the log of the do_install stage and inspect how the environment is being set. from guessing i would say you need to export it just like the DESTDIR construction.
<wyre>
but I'm having problems because do_install cannot be performed because doesn't find the .py file
<qschulz>
wyre: where do you get your python script from?
<wyre>
qschulz, I'm using repo to clone from a repo in a folder called `files` alongside the recipe file
<wyre>
in fact the files (they are several scripts actually)
<wyre>
I mean, in fact the files are there
<wyre>
but apparently I'm missing something in the recipe
<qschulz>
SRC_URI and S needs to be double checked
<qschulz>
(in your recipe)
<wyre>
qschulz, you have here the folder structure and the recipe contents https://bpa.st/7IUQ
<wyre>
maybe I should include `files` folder in the SRC_URI... 🤔
<wyre>
I've just realized
<qschulz>
no
<wyre>
then why is not finding the files?
<qschulz>
go to the WORKDIR of your recipe and check that the files are there
<qschulz>
note the exact path relative to WORKDIR
<qschulz>
that's what you're supposed to use then
<qschulz>
you can also add whole directories by adding file://dir/ (note, no * in there)
<qschulz>
this will respect the original layout
<LetoThe2nd>
just a note: "i'm using xxx to clone yyy into the files directory next to recipe zzz" sounds very much like "recipe zzz needs a proper fetching stage"
<wyre>
anyway ... there are files what I don't want to install, but I guess I can also control this in do_install
<qschulz>
wyre: they are not in the workdir, they are in a subdirectory of the workdir
<qschulz>
wyre: yes to your question
<wyre>
qschulz, so they should be in the workdir directly?
<wyre>
oh, I see what you are saying
<qschulz>
wyre: I thought they would be but I was clearly wrong
<wyre>
I should include the directory in the install statements
<qschulz>
so, just pass the relative path to S (which is $WORKDIR in your recipe) to your install commands
<qschulz>
absolutely
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<wyre>
qschulz, now I'm having problems with fonts 🤔 https://bpa.st/VCYQ why is it trying to access to ../image/usr/bin/dp1642gw/fonts ?
<wyre>
maybe the install -d has not created it? 🤔
<wyre>
is it not recursive?
<wyre>
I mean, there is no an option like -p for mkdir?
<rburton>
install -d creates parents
<qschulz>
${WORKDIR}/image is ${D}
<wyre>
sure, and I guess /usr/bin is ${bindir}
<wyre>
but I've install -d ${D}{bindir}/dp1642gw/fonts in my recipe and it's not being created inside ${WORKDIR}/image/usr/bin
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<wyre>
it has created a file called `dp1642gw`
<rburton>
where is the recipe?
<wyre>
oh, sorry, I missed a $ symbol
<qschulz>
wyre: the usual :D
<wyre>
before {bindir}
<qschulz>
don't worry, I always miss them when reading recipes too
<wyre>
can I clean the workdir in someway?
<rburton>
bitbake recipe -c clean
<qschulz>
rburton: IIRC this does not remove files added in SRC_URI with the "file" fetcher?
<rburton>
}
<rburton>
do_clean() {
<rburton>
oe.path.remove(dir)
<rburton>
dir = d.expand("${WORKDIR}")
<rburton>
it just blasts away the work directory
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<qschulz>
👍
<whuang0389>
how im confused on compiling a simple makefile from a git source. In do_compile() I have oe_runmake all. I'm expecting an executable somewhere, but I'm unable to find it. source is from here: https://github.com/Infineon/eltt2
<whuang0389>
i checked the tmp directories using find but nothing
<mattsm>
RP yes I was really concerned, and feeling rough from the night before
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<mckoan>
whuang0389: your Makefile has hardcoded variables, cant cross-compile and can't install anything in tmp
<whuang0389>
so I will need to run a custom command from do_compile? specifying the CC?
<override>
Can some one explain feature backfilling to me please?
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<rburton>
if a distro feature isn't set, backfilled ones get added automatically. this is because we added new features and made them default. if you don't want it, add it to DISTRO_FEATURES_BACKFILL_CONSIDERED to say that you know it would be backfilled, but you don't want it.
<override>
thanks, rbuton
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<yates_home>
in poky/meta/lib/oe/elf.py there is a function that can be defined, PACKAGEQA_EXTRA_MACHDEFFUNCS, to add a new architecture to machdata dict
<yates_home>
the dict is composed of # TARGET_OS TARGET_ARCH MACHINE, OSABI, ABIVERSION, Little Endian, 32bit?
<yates_home>
the first two items are obvious. where do MACHINE, OSABI, and ABIVERSION come from?
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<yates_home>
they are simply non-negative integers for other architectures, e.g., "darwin9" : {
<rburton>
halstead: will the irc logs be updated to work on libera?
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<Guest49>
rburton that explains it, that explains it
<Guest49>
thanks
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<halstead>
rburton: yes. They are being collected. Just need to update publishing.
<Guest49>
general question, a certain layer has dependencies on "layers: meta-oe, meta-multimedia, meta-networking". I have not added these in bblayers.conf and it is still building the image, how so?
<Guest49>
My guess would be that it should fail because of the required dependencies
<Guest49>
vmeson For those that currently don't have Zoom instead, can we watch the recording somewhere after it is finished?
<rburton>
Guest49: presumably those requirements are not actually stated in layer.conf, and you're not building anything that actually needs those deps
<vmeson>
Guest49: I think the discussion is recorded but I'm not aware of it being posted. I'll ask around.
<Jasper-Ben>
Yes, it is being recorded. But I also don't know where and if it will be posted. You can also join zoom meetings via the browser, though.
<Guest49>
Thanks, looking forward to hearing how we can access it, 5 stars!
<Guest49>
rburton you're right, that is indeed the case, thanks
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<wyre_>
cannot I install files in /opt/<arbitrary folder> ?
<override>
oh, my bad .. see what rbuton was trying to say now..
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<Guest2095>
Hi, Can I have 2 kernels built from single yocto image? One I want for debugging purpose and other for production
<Guest2095>
since each yocto build builds one kernel per image,is it possible to have 2?
<splatch>
Guest2095: I think you can have two images, most of work between them will be shared, beside kernel, other idea is to use maybe (not sure) a package manager and install an overlay with another kernel if necessary
<splatch>
you run single kernel instance, as far I know, with image so what you ask for might not be a straight task
<splatch>
I actually have issue with two kernels. I have a build which works just fine if deployed in vm (and stock device), but fails with a strange behavior when used with swupdate. I set preffered provider to linux-intel and version to 5.10.%, yet my board after boot has a split brain problem. It does declare it is 4.19 (release which I try to update) when asked with uname -r. Yet it has modules from 5.10 on the
<splatch>
partition. Guess it is a swupdate/boot issue but its not clear to me why this happens.
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<Guest2095>
splatch Thanks for replying
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<Guest2095>
how to use yocto combo layer tool?
<JPEW>
Guest2095: Any particular reason you want to use that?
<Guest2095>
to merge two repos
<JPEW>
Guest2095: I'm not familiar with it. I usually use git submodules FWIW
<JPEW>
Some people also use kas
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<Guest2095>
ok
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<splatch>
Guest2095: I use kas as it is able to manage multiple versions of configs with no hassle, if you need different kernels and/or images/machines then it might simplify configuration management on your end
<Guest2095>
with configuration management we will get 2 images right
<splatch>
yes, you can have different kernel providers for these or different kernel versions. With kas and its "overlay" (merge of yaml files) you will be able to achieve that with little effort. Still doubling build time in some areas.
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<mischief>
is there a way to enumerate a recipe's variable machine overrides?
<JPEW>
mischief: `bitbake -e` can tell you that
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<bizulk>
Hello. I am building for raspberry pi 1, poky+meta-raspberry. There is a issue when building binutils. Some undefined reference with libgold
<bizulk>
I mean if there is limited impact on the build
<JPEW>
bizulk: Hard to say. It's possible there are some recipes that hardcode using gold, and though obviously wouldn't work if binutils didn't create it
<bizulk>
JPEW ok. The best way to know is to test it I guess
<JPEW>
bizulk:
<JPEW>
bizulk: Ya
<JPEW>
bizulk: It looks like it may not be unheard of to disable gold on some arches, so that might be an option that would prevent you needing to fork the recipe (since I don't think the patch you linked to would be taken)
<JPEW>
bizulk: Almost looks like it's missing a library or something
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<bizulk>
@JPEW exactly
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<JPEW>
You might look through the log.do_compile and see if anything else suspicious shows up.... otherwise you might need to spelunk through the build directory
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* JPEW
finds it suspicious that all the Matrix users just exited :)
<bizulk>
that's strange
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<rber|res>
@JPEW the blue pill?
<mischief>
JPEW: yes but can you enumerate them from e.g. a python function
<JPEW>
mischief: Do you want the list of overrides, or the value of a variable for each override?
<JPEW>
mischief: You can get the list of overrides with `d.getVar('MACHINEOVERRIDES').split(':')`
<bizulk>
JPEW sorry can you point out for me some documentation about building variable LGGOLD_pn-binutils = ""
<JPEW>
Ack, that's `LDGOLD_pn-binutils`. Sorry
<bizulk>
right, but what is does ? what is _pn about, I tried to google it in vain.
<JPEW>
`LDGOLD` is a variable in binutils.inc. You can override a variable in a specific recipe by using the `pn-<RECIPE>` override.
<bizulk>
Thank you
<JPEW>
the `_pn-binutils` allows you to override the variable in a specific recipe (binutils in this case) from a common config file (local.conf, machine.conf, etc.)
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<JPEW>
... and they're all back!
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<mischief>
JPEW: i want to enumerate all overriden variables and their values
<mischief>
like if i have FOO, FOO_bar, FOO_baz, how can i get all of the FOOs and their values
<JPEW>
mischief: I'm not sure if that information is available by default. I know bitbake -e enables a special "tracking mode" to get the output it does
<JPEW>
But I think it gets expensive to do that during a normal parse, when all you usually care about is the final value
<JPEW>
mischief: I guess the follow up question is: Why do you want that?
<mischief>
i dont think i really need to, i was just curious
<JPEW>
mischief: I beleive if you want to write your own scripts to parse the metadata, you can enable the variable tracking like `bitbake -e` does, but I don't think you can get that from in a recipe
<mischief>
we have a silly problem with branching/tagging and using one git repo for different branches of a vendor kernel, i thought something like this might come up but i havent worked on it really
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<RP>
mischief: you know about OVERRIDES listing the overrides in force at a given time?
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