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<hansolo>
Is this the official ruby irc channel?
<llua>
yes
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<hansolo>
Thanks llua, i had stepped away from irc for a number of months. I didn't recognize 'libera'. I was expecting 'freenode'. Read into it a bit here https://gist.github.com/prawnsalad/4ca20da6c2295ddb06c1646791c61953. Looks like i missed the downfall of freenode. Ruby must have joined the masses in moving to libera.
<jhass[m]>
they deleted their databases, so not much choice there :)
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<nakilon>
hansolo you better not read the links that are "the most popular" but the links and sources that are older and have real facts instead of accusations and hate
<nakilon>
for example, the summary with chronology made by a guy who wanted to find the truth https://gist.github.com/unsurethinker/f3fb589e6c6fa26095fac56171acdb66 instead of just jumping of a train of hate against the man who did nothing wrong except of being hated by his inadequate coworker
<nakilon>
your link is interesting though, it includes that real tantrum that was thrown "1618865560003|tomaw|and anything he does that hurt me hurts freenode." and then was hidden from people who were instead fed by nothing more than spambots and hate to ruin the freenode; it's like he secretly burned down his own house, and everyone says "shhhh we don't
<nakilon>
discuss this, we just hate and move out"
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<leah2>
if your linux distro only had ruby 3, would you be angry?
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<jhass[m]>
no, why. There's tons of good ways to locally install an older version if needed
<leah2>
problem is we have packages for puppet and vagrant at least
<leah2>
and they dont seem to run on ruby 3 yet
<leah2>
i'm mostly worried about breaking random scripts, i assume professional devs etc use rvm anyway
<nakilon>
try upgrading the linux
<nakilon>
then problem of ruby version will magically because less worrying
<leah2>
jhass[m]: yes, that is work i'd like to avoid ;)
<nakilon>
what about docker?
<nakilon>
I didn't hear about vagrant since then
<jhass[m]>
it shouldn't be too much work though, ./configure has plenty flags to support this well
<leah2>
vagrant 3 will be in Go anyway
<leah2>
but no idea when it's released
<leah2>
jhass[m]: well i dont only need to duplicate the ruby package but also the gems the stuff uses
<jhass[m]>
if your packaging approach is debian style where no byte may possibly be duplicated in two packages, I guess
<leah2>
jhass[m]: it's just work, no religious reasons
<leah2>
and tbh i dont want to do it for two packages probably noone uses anyway
<leah2>
at least vagrant seems to have ruby 3 support in trunk now
<jhass[m]>
I mean could just bundle those gems in those packages to a local site dir 🤷
<leah2>
true
<leah2>
hm, so does puppet 7.7
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<adam12>
A distro shipping with 3.0? We should all be so lucky :P
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<adam12>
I havent' looked at CentOS 8, but CentOS 7 ships with 2.0 O_O
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<leah2>
fedora 34 ships 3.0
<adam12>
Debian 11 is going to be shipping 2.7 I believe.
<adam12>
Which makes sense I guess, but I wonder where that puts it's EOL status when Debian 12 drops. Still maintained or EOL for a year? Hmm.
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<leah2>
nothing new :p
<xyhuvud>
centos is so painful :(
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<adam12>
I'm only deploying Debian going forward, so at minimum I'm dealing with Ruby 2.5 (Buster).
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<nakilon>
nothing painful in 2.0, you just install rbenv or use docker
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<nakilon>
the only thing I fight a lot with was selinux
<nakilon>
like... every time you edit the nginx config you have to run two undocumented commands to make it work
<nakilon>
IIRC spent two days to find them
<rg>
i only see news of ruby being dropped (re vagrant 3) rather than adopted these days, it's sad
<adam12>
rg: For Vagrant, it makes sense. Last project by Hashicorp that doesn't use Golang. I think they still use Rails for their webby stuff tho.
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<adam12>
rg: I wouldn't read too much into it. New projects not being announced for being written in Ruby just means we're past that stage. That's not necessarily a bad thing.
<hansolo>
It's funny to me how a language can have many successful projects written in it, proving it can solve our problems, and can still fall out of favor over time.
<hansolo>
Github, Gitlab, Zendesk, etc, all used Ruby to climb to the top of their industries. Now that they are at enterprise scale they are moving on to other languages due to limitations of the language. They still hire ruby devs and will for years and years to come. But new companies looking to make their own way into the industry, don't typically consider ruby. Which to me seems odd since ruby excels in startup, quick bootstrapping, scenarios.
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<adam12>
the bootcamps were pushing, it might have seen a similar fate.
<adam12>
We suffered from our own success in some ways. Bootcamps aggressively pushing unqualified Rails developers caused people to sour on Rails (in some ways, deserving). People adopt these Rails projects from previous developers, which are commonly a ball of mud, and then claim Rails is dead, Rails cant scale, blah blah blah. But if it was Clojure that
<adam12>
I don't think Python saw this to the same degree because it didn't have the ubiquitous Rails. I wouldn't be surprised if it was a 50/50 split of Django/Flask. So it's less common to have a concentration of "bad" projects.
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<clemens3>
python lives from ai/ml while ruby lived from rails.. guess which continues striving..
<adam12>
That's a good point. The web moves fast.
<clemens3>
i like ruby the language.. but when it comes to hyper threading, i don't know, new languages closer to the metal
<clemens3>
and i don't know if backwards portability has been an issue, maybe not, but if a company has to spend time and money to update the code, they might as well look at the next hot language/technology
<clemens3>
of course, python shot itself in the foot and survived..
<clemens3>
but just because the ai field is so hot..
<adam12>
It's generally been pretty good, other than the keyword argument stuff that's been changing. It hasn't necessarily been an issue for me yet, but the pattern that was breaking wasn't super common.
<clemens3>
well, rails was breaking for me all the time
<adam12>
I think Python's AI support is very much just wrappers around C libraries? Not something that Ruby couldn't have, with invested interest.
<clemens3>
and 3.0 also vs 2.7
<clemens3>
adam12: yes, but it doesn't have it, or nobody is using, so not tested
<clemens3>
pynum etc.
<clemens3>
cuda support
<clemens3>
python just as slow, so also gets the heat from go
<adam12>
I'm finding Ruby more enjoyable now than I did 10+ years ago.
<adam12>
Types and the new debugger might make it more palatable for the Ruby developers who prefer the IDE experience.
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<leah2>
i mostly avoid dumb magic i liked 10 years ago :p
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<michigan>
Yup
<michigan>
I can't believe how dumb I was 10 years ago
<michigan>
Looking back at stuff I did and stuff I said I'm like "wtf was I thinking?"
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<adam12>
LOL
<adam12>
It was the time. DSL EVERYTHING!
<adam12>
METAPROGRAMMING!
<michigan>
Indeedie-o :)
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<clemens3>
yeah, dsl if you want to obfuscate what is going on..
<adam12>
I definitely see it's use cases, but there was a time where it was incredibly overused.
<adam12>
If you get a chance to read Jeremy Evans new book, Polished Ruby, he touches on it.
<ccooke>
It's the usual thing of just because something is easy doesn't make it the right tool
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<aesthetikx>
class WebApp; acts_as_completely_functional_webapp; end
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<adam12>
lol. I kind of miss the acts_as_ projects.
<rg>
adam12: yeah i still enjoy ruby, so i hope it is successful for a long time.
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<weaksauce>
seing as how github and shopify are on ruby i doubt it's going anywhere for a spell
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<caleb>
Ruby will live a very long useful life. There's a decent amount of high quality seasoned engineers, practices, libraries, and institutions behind it. It will very much last at least the next decade or two in high profile companies.
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<newton>
then we can cash in on those high paid legacy app management jobs once those decades pass
<aesthetikx>
COBOL.rb
<weaksauce>
oh yeah and airbnb twitch and many other big names are also written in ruby
<aesthetikx>
hulu seemingly
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<weaksauce>
saw this on reddit today from just that question
<jimeh>
adam12: I’ve often ended up using geminabox with basic auth and https, sometimes on a private internal network too… but for the past year I’ve just been using GitHub Packages instead, which is a bit more tedious for auth, but less hassle overall I think, specially cause we auto push new gems with GitHub Actions whenever a git tag is pushed
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