sorear changed the topic of #riscv to: RISC-V instruction set architecture | https://riscv.org | Logs: https://libera.irclog.whitequark.org/riscv | Matrix: #riscv:catircservices.org
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<triteraflops> What are some good riscv computers to buy right now?
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<liam1312> triteraflops: i have two riscv64 machines, but i'm just an enthusiast--not a developer
<liam1312> i have a Deep Computing / Framework 13 and a PINE64 PineTab-V
<liam1312> both use the JH7110 system-on-a-chip
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<liam1312> i actually gave away my expensive amd64 machine to live like a monk with these potatoes
<triteraflops> Wow, that is dedication
<triteraflops> .
<triteraflops> To potatoes.
<liam1312> eh, i had a similar experience with aarch64
<triteraflops> I'd be looking for something popular
<liam1312> i was an early adopter of ARM on laptops, and it was rocky with the Pinebook Pro and then the Apple M1 (Asahi Linux is pretty mature now, but it sucked back in the day)
<liam1312> triteraflops: are you interested in development?
<triteraflops> um, that's a complicated question
<triteraflops> I'm interested in contributing to something popular lol
<triteraflops> open hardware is so balkanised
<liam1312> #fedora-riscv is slow like this chat has been (in my experience)
<liam1312> but the RISC-V group on their Matrix server is big and super active
<liam1312> i'm running Fedora on the Deep Computing Framework, and an ancient Debian snapshot on this tablet
<triteraflops> is that framework anything like the frame.work?
<liam1312> ^Framework Computer's video about it
<liam1312> i've been excited about RISC-V for a while. i snapped that laptop up immediately
<liam1312> ^the other device i have, that tablet on the right-hand side
<liam1312> PINE64 devices are low-power and they have a reputation for bad build quality because of COVID-19, but i love them <3
<liam1312> Tenkawa: pardon for the highlight, but triteraflops has RISC-V questions and i feel a bit like the blind leading the blind~
<liam1312> i actually have a spare JH7110 that i'm looking to rehome, just waiting on Framework to send me the case
<triteraflops> I'm looking at risc-v computers for realtime audio
<triteraflops> For things like noise cancellation, where basically no regular computer will work
<triteraflops> Like, you have to get up in there and modify a sound wave as it is passing by.
<triteraflops> Like jack and pipewire call themselves realtime audio, but it gets way more realtime than that.
<liam1312> fascinating! my interest is agriculture
<triteraflops> woah, what now
<triteraflops> please explain.
<triteraflops> sounds very interesting
<liam1312> well, the state of "smart" agriculture is pretty crappy
<liam1312> John Deere is like, the Apple of the industry
<liam1312> just a random example
<triteraflops> ooh farm equipment hacking
<triteraflops> I've heard of this
<liam1312> i'd like to see more right-to-repair type stuff in the industry
<liam1312> and more free software and free hardware
<liam1312> well, open hardware. people seem to prefer "OSH" to "FOSH"
<triteraflops> wow, liam1312 , it really is the same framework I was thinking of
<triteraflops> I was thinking of buying a framework if I ever really needed a laptop that could run firefox
<liam1312> i have nothing but praise for them :^]
* triteraflops nods with approval
<triteraflops> The framework risc-v motherboard is a good option
<mps> spacemit K1 octa core is is ok
<triteraflops> for a general laptop
<liam1312> Fairphone is the other company i like--it would be so cool if one day i could have a Fairphone with a RISC-V chip in it
<triteraflops> OK for what, mps?
<triteraflops> Does fairphone support mobile linux yet?
<liam1312> triteraflops: love love *love* sxmo
<liam1312> rather chat about that in #linux-offtopic tho
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<mps> triteraflops: of the riscv boards is is best for now, imo
<mps> bananapi-f3 is quite fine
<triteraflops> so spacemit is the soc and bananapi is the board?
<mps> spacemit is company which produce k1 SoCs
<mps> ok, i'm not their trade agent
<Tenkawa> Hi all
<triteraflops> For laptops, I like the concept of the framework better
<Tenkawa> The RISC-V mofules still have a bit underpowered GPU for daily use though
<Tenkawa> The cpus are fine but the display output will be spotty...
<Tenkawa> s/mofules/modules
<Tenkawa> (for a laptop)
<Tenkawa> I am pleased doing headless devel with my BPI F3 though
<mps> yes, for now arm64 or loongarch64 better choice, despite we all love riscv
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<triteraflops> Interesting, Tenkawa and mps
<triteraflops> thanks
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<triteraflops> Are there open bootloading standards that come with risc-v?
<triteraflops> like is efi supported?
<triteraflops> and what about plug n play?
<triteraflops> or is everything just devicetree based?
<xypron> triteraflops: UEFI is required by server specs.
<xypron> triteraflops: Both ACPI and device-tree are supported
<triteraflops> neat, thanks, xypron
<xypron> But there is no ACPI device on the market
<triteraflops> lol
<triteraflops> yeah device-tree does seem to be good enough for most stuff
<xypron> But it works fine with EDK II, QEMU in Ubuntu Plucky
<triteraflops> but like how sustainable is to maintain a repo of like one device tree per soc or per board?
<triteraflops> could that actually be done?
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<zBeeble> Does coreboot support the P550?
<Tenkawa> zBeeble: if I read the latest release correct... no
<Tenkawa> Only one I see listed is the Hifive Unleashed from SiFive
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