#pypy on 2021-06-20 — irc logs at libera.irclog.whitequark.org

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01:31 <bbot2> Failure: http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/own-linux-aarch64/builds/944 [default]

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02:13 <bbot2> Failure: http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/pypy-c-jit-linux-x86-32/builds/6424 [py3.7]

02:34 <bbot2> Failure: http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/pypy-c-jit-linux-x86-64/builds/7739 [py3.7]

02:39 <bbot2> Failure: http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/pypy-c-jit-linux-s390x/builds/1537 [py3.7]

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02:53 <bbot2> Failure: http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/pypy-c-jit-win-x86-64/builds/291 [py3.7]

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03:57 <bbot2> Failure: http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/own-win-x86-64/builds/344 [py3.7]

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06:48 <bbot2> Failure: http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/own-linux-aarch64/builds/945 [py3.7]

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10:29 <bbot2> Success: http://buildbot.pypy.org/builders/jit-benchmark-linux-x86-64/builds/3318 [py3.7]

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16:36 <mattip> looking into the test_sys failure on py3.8, it is because we do not bother destroying instances at interpreter shut-down

16:37 <mattip> is there a real-world use case for doing that clean-up? It seems to me to be asking for trouble: who knows what state each module is in when shutting down

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18:11 <mattip> here is the issue https://bugs.python.org/issue20602

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18:42 <arigato> mattip: we never wipe out any module at shotdown, as far as I know

18:42 <arigato> what is the captured 'err'?

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18:43 <arigato> ah no

18:43 <arigato> it's obvious, there is no 'gc.collect()' so that destructor is never run in pypy

18:44 <arigato> you need to add 'del a; import gc; gc.collect()' in the script

18:45 <arigato> or actually, if you do that then the meaning of the test might change in cpython

18:45 <arigato> so better to completely skip this test on non-cpython platforms because it doesn't make really sense there

19:00 <cfbolz> I agree

19:00 <cfbolz> it's a documented difference that we don't call all destructors at shutdown

19:00 <cfbolz> (we only flush files and call atexit functions)

19:00 <mattip> right, on a practical level the test should be skipped

19:01 <mattip> I am wondering why they make such a big deal about carefully calling all the object destructors

19:02 <arigato> also, why they still manually hack their modules so that all destructors are supposed to be very careful

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