14:51 <vstinner> hi. to discuss HPy, it is better to discuss it here or on the Discord channel? :-)

14:54 <antocuni> that's a good question. This channel is public, but on discord we also have CPython decs

14:55 <antocuni> maybe we should decide whether to migrate our official channel to a more modern platform

14:55 <antocuni> but in the meantime, I would say "here by default, on discord if it's something which needs the attention of other CPython devs"

14:56 <vstinner> it took like 3 to 5 years to Python to decide between mailing lists and Discourse (discuss.python.org) :-) the steering council decided to move to Discourse

14:56 <vstinner> love it or hate it, the SC spoke :)

14:57 <antocuni> the the official place to discuss python-dev is no longer the python-dev ML?

14:58 <vstinner> antocuni: nope, the new official place is: https://discuss.python.org/c/core-dev/23

14:59 <antocuni> good to know

14:59 <vstinner> it was disussed to replace capi-sig mailing list with a Discourse category by the way ;-)

14:59 <antocuni> btw, what is the opinion of people here w.r.t. migrating to a more modern tool? Who is for, who is against and who doesn't care at all? :)

15:00 <antocuni> @channel ^^^

15:10 <ronny> I consider mailing lists deplorable, they practically act as semi broken decentral tool

15:38 <Hodgestar> Re IRC vs Discord -- I'm okay with either. I would vote for our own Discord though rather than some channel on a big Discord (I'm in some big Discords and I give up trying to read them).

15:40 <Hodgestar> Re Mailing list vs Discourse -- I find forums lke Discourse are bad for conversations because there isn't anything that the majority of the list reads. So someone posts something in some topic somewhere, and many people don't see it, and then it is lost. And each topic has very few participants. The whole thing just fragments.

15:41 <Hodgestar> There also isn't a good way to follow many forums.

15:44 <steve_s> I am also fine with Discord.

15:52 <antocuni> so, the next question is what platform to use for the new channel but I seem to understand that discord is the de-facto standard?

15:52 <antocuni> is it?

15:52 <antocuni> for example, conda uses slack

15:53 <antocuni> but I guess that being on discord has the advantage of being closer and more easily reachable by cpython devs

15:53 <antocuni> there is also gitter, but I don't really know

17:22 <ronny> Gitter is just matrix, I'm already using libera.chat via the matrix bridge (as it allows multi device)

17:22 <ronny> I'm unhappy with the pytest discord and my subjective impression is matrix ftw

17:22 <pmp-p> well for me discord > gitter > irc , i don't find slack and matrix very useable in web browser

17:22 <pmp-p> ( i have a lowend pc )

17:23 <ronny> A nice detail is that the irc Bridge can nicely be integrated in a space

17:23 <ronny> I do get that the pure Web version of element is a Utter drag