michaelni changed the topic of #ffmpeg-devel to: Welcome to the FFmpeg development channel | Questions about using FFmpeg or developing with libav* libs should be asked in #ffmpeg | This channel is publicly logged | FFmpeg 7.1 has been released! | Please read ffmpeg.org/developer.html#Code-of-conduct
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<cone-109>
ffmpeg Peter Ross master:494c96137916: avformat/Makefile: add iso_writer golomb_tab from shared library dependency
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<Marth64>
</ramble>
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<wbs>
jannau: hey, long time no see! on a quick read, this seems reasonable
<compnn>
btw this 阿儒 <a09095...@gmail guy i've set mod flag on. they sent 3 empty mails to -devel this month. not sure if anyone cares but i dunno where else to say it
<compnn>
Marth64, re s337 thread, are you reading every mail to -devel ? i try but i missed these ones :\
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<Marth64>
compnn: I don't but if I see "hot" ones with a over 4 replies or so I click
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<Marth64>
I just re-read the conversation in detail
<Marth64>
it kills time when I'm on the bus
<Marth64>
lol
<compnn>
i read quite a bit of the thread when it was happening but it was mostly technical disagreements with resampling in a codec/demuxer . so i admit to dropping off after a while
<Marth64>
email is painful for long threads
<Marth64>
new git solution if it happens or forum software could be nice
<Marth64>
if git solution has discussion feature
<elenril>
I don't see how forums help
<elenril>
or any other software
<elenril>
large and complex discussions are painful
<elenril>
email at least has the tree structure, even though few clients support it properly
<compnn>
Marth64, have you seen trac.ffmpeg.org ?
<compnn>
or which forum software do you prefer ?
<Marth64>
I guess what I'm imagining is more of "unified communication". If say we get new git solution like forgejo. trac tickets converge -> "Issues" section. code reviews -> become PR/MR conversations.
<Marth64>
Then, this leaves 2 core types of conversations. User help (current ffmpeg-user), complex / conceptual development discussions (whatever is left of ffmpeg-devel). e-mail has its benefits but maybe with a software like SMF you can create different discussion boards as needs change. Also more soft moderation options are more available, for example you can lock threads that are completely derailed, etc.
<Marth64>
this is very far fetched but I look at process redundancy of dealing with email, top-posting rules, etc
<Marth64>
all of these go away with a platform built for discussion
<elenril>
can't really agree there
<elenril>
email is built for discussion
<elenril>
it's not built for patch review, but dissions is the thing it does reasonably well
<elenril>
I've seen long github issue threads, they are way worse that email because of the flat structure
<Marth64>
I am not super opinionated about using a discussion board, email is fine for that, but definitely for patch/code reviews I think is my issue with email
<Marth64>
code review is painful over email
<elenril>
I don't disagree
<elenril>
my point is just that large and complex discussions are large and complex, whatever platform you use
<compnn>
Marth64, no worries i was just curious thanks for discussion
<Marth64>
all good guys I had too much caffeine anyway
<fflogger>
[newticket] lingyikong: Ticket #11360 ([avcodec] H.264 Decoder Issue with Deblocking in Multi-Slice Field Video) created https://trac.ffmpeg.org/ticket/11360
<wbs>
blowfish is used in rtmpe, which was mostly used for playback over rtmp - and playback over rtmp isn't really done anywhere any longer. but for ingest, rtmp is still very much a thing and not EOL at all (but there, it's usually rtmps instead of rtmpe, if encryption is wanted)
<compnn>
rtmpdec eol
<another|>
so you meant rtmpe specifically?
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<j-b>
So now, we do mailing list censorship?
<wbs>
I thought committee internal discussions were supposed to be kept private to within the committee?
<j-b>
wbs: yes, I thought that too
<j-b>
I'm quite fed up with that
<elenril>
so it appears to me that compn has decided to play his own private cc
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<another|>
*sigh*
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<Traneptora_>
Why do so many people have access to the internal infra that people can be unilaterally blocked like this?
<Traneptora_>
(I guess that is why anton requested privileges be removed)
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<j-b>
Traneptora_: and that is still not documented.
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<fflogger>
[editedticket] haasn: Ticket #979 ([swscale] Abnormal colorspace conversion of BGR -> YUV comparing the RGB variant) updated https://trac.ffmpeg.org/ticket/979#comment:25
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<fflogger>
[editedticket] ego-lay_atman-bay: Ticket #11262 ([ffmpeg] Musepack decoding is worse quality than the official mpc decoder) updated https://trac.ffmpeg.org/ticket/11262#comment:3
* Marth64
sets mode +b *@*@
<Marth64>
just kidding
<Marth64>
too soon
<Marth64>
*runs*
<elenril>
only way to be sure?
<Marth64>
haha. i just used /me
<putacho>
trollolloll
<Marth64>
on to actual CC (Closed Captions). JEEB: thanks for suggesting to look at CBS API. I am just doing research/experimenting but it could be useful
<Marth64>
the paradigm kinda fits too
<Marth64>
I have no full vision yet but I'm playing around to develop/articulate ideas on how cc support can be approved
<Marth64>
maybe I will put this in a trac doc some time
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<fflogger>
[editedticket] Balling: Ticket #979 ([swscale] Abnormal colorspace conversion of BGR -> YUV comparing the RGB variant) updated https://trac.ffmpeg.org/ticket/979#comment:26
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<fflogger>
[editedticket] goodbye: Ticket #11284 ([avcodec] Aspect ratio defined by the JFIF (JPEG) APP0 segment is misinterpreted as its reciprocal) updated https://trac.ffmpeg.org/ticket/11284#comment:2
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<BBB>
compnn: in kieran's defense, I recognized the quote form animal farm. it's an amazing book, I highly recommend it, if you haven't already read it
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<BBB>
from*
<compnn>
sure
<compnn>
but the question is
<compnn>
why is not that signature found on kierans other mails
<BBB>
I can only he guess he was being sarcastic
<jamrial>
because it's not a signature, it's a quote put there for being relevant to his argument
<BBB>
right
<compnn>
kieran says its a signature though
<compnn>
"It's interesting how Michael's bizarre signature quotes are of no concern
<compnn>
to you yet this one is."
<BBB>
I think he means quote
<compnn>
well well
<BBB>
"why are quotes in michael's signature ..., whereas quotes in my email (although not my signature) are ..."
<compnn>
then hes calling devs animals if its a quote
<compnn>
if its a signature, then its not a signature in his other mails
<BBB>
nah, he's comparing it to the situation in animal farm
<BBB>
I really encourage the book, it's a super-entertaining read and has nothing to do with ffmpeg
<compnn>
its my fault for drawing attention to it
<compnn>
i should know better
<BBB>
I would take the quote with a grain of salt
<BBB>
he's not calling you an animal
<BBB>
he's just comparing the situation
<compnn>
jamrial, were you able to find those rules or guidelines about ml admins within the code of conduct ?
<BBB>
whether the situation applies is up to the beholder (you :) )
<compnn>
BBB, that will encourage people to find literary quotes that suit their insults and pop them in emails. but whatever
<jamrial>
no, it's not a written rule. it's proper behavior for a ml admin when dealing with a thread about electing a cc
<BBB>
compnn: yes, I see your point
<compnn>
BBB, thank you.
<BBB>
<3
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<compnn>
jamrial, you undoing the moderation on that thread caused a few flames on devel :(
<jamrial>
and if it seems to be getting out of hand, a warning can be issued and the thread locked
<jamrial>
not done silently
<compnn>
thats in the cc , sure
<compnn>
ml admins can do this as needed, however
<compnn>
although i should have mentioned that i modded the thread
<jamrial>
for most threads, if things are too heated and CC wouldn't be fast enough, sure
<jamrial>
for this one? not so much
<jamrial>
because of the subject matter
<compnn>
its fine i disagree
<jamrial>
it wouldn't be as bad if you at least sent an email mentioning you're modding the thread and why
<jamrial>
people would still dislike it, but at least it wouldn't be as fishy
<compnn>
agree. but the reaction i think would be the same
<compnn>
unrelated, the CC never responded to the thing i reported last month re admins, server hosts
<compnn>
at least never responded to me
<compnn>
i guess i dont know if the CC is meant to respond
<compnn>
but it kind of feels like the CC is a black hole. mails go in but decisions dont come out
<compnn>
at least with ml admins theres only a few of us and we are here to answer questions
<compnn>
i thought i'd ask as j-b jamrial BBB are on the cc.
<compnn>
what i mean to say is that if the cc doesnt report its decisions to the reporter or the ml. which is fine, i'm not arguing either way here. then that "the CC decisions wont be reported publicly" should be on the CoC page.
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<BBB>
maybe they should be responded to
<BBB>
I think that's a fair expectation
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<SnowballXNapoleo>
oink
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<beastd>
compnn: don't think it is written down anywhere explicitly but i agree with jamrial on the "upcoming vote" mod rule
<beastd>
good intentions are not enough for free communication. sorry i lack better words for now.
<beastd>
also i need to sleep
<BtbN>
libavcodec/flv* keeps tricking me into opening the wrong files, and being confused where the flv muxer is
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<compnn>
another|, i just forgot rtmp is widely used for uploading streaming :D
<compnn>
at any rate, blowfish support isnt going to be removed from rtmp spec sooo
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<compnn>
michaelni, your mail with image is over the 1mb limit for ffmpeg-devel
<compnn>
consider linking it instead
<compnn>
but also consider not having more last-year-booth-talk
<compnn>
or just organize your entire thoughts into one big blog post for discussion or something
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<cone-369>
ffmpeg Dmitrii Ovchinnikov master:c037eb842439: amfenc: Update the min version to 1.4.35.0 for AMF SDK.