14:39 <davidlt> https://www.phoronix.com/news/Tumbleweed-systemd-boot-Success

14:40 <rwmjones> yeah there's mutterings about using it here too, but also something else (nmbl?)

14:41 <rwmjones> nmbl (?) is the one where they boot linux to kexec linux

14:41 <rwmjones> a lot of it is "anything is better than grub"

14:44 <davidlt> Is that LinuxBoot?

14:44 <davidlt> nmbl seems to be some PoC stuff from RH: https://github.com/rhboot/nmbl-builder

14:45 <davidlt> Ah this is also using UKI stuff

14:45 <davidlt> rwmjones, that's still not updated: https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=1030

14:47 <rwmjones> davidlt: what was the problem with gnu-efi?

14:47 <rwmjones> we talked about it a while back but I can't remember now

14:48 <davidlt> rwmjones, I want to use a UEFI bootloader (systemd-boot), but that requires the latest gnu-efi release + a few packported patches from main branch.

14:48 <davidlt> Some other tools also need gnu-efi, e.g. brtfs uefi tooling IIRC.

14:48 <davidlt> I don't really expect to see GRUB2 update any time soon, but gnu-efi is relatively small.

14:49 <rwmjones> do we have the patches needed anywhere? I don't see anything in http://fedora.riscv.rocks:3000/rpms/gnu-efi/commits/branch/rawhide

14:50 <davidlt> rwmjones, because I never found time to rebase.

14:50 <davidlt> rwmjones, the gnu-efi in Fedora is quite old, it first need an update to a newer version.

14:51 <davidlt> We need 3.0.17 (current is 3.0.11 in Fedora), and then we can pick a few patches from main branch.

14:51 <davidlt> I wouldn't be surprised to see 3.0.18 soonish (within months)

14:51 <davidlt> 3.0.17 was mid-2023 release.

14:53 <rwmjones> so I don't really understand what gnu-efi does; it seems to be something for building EFI applications? why is that something we care about?

14:53 <davidlt> because what's what systemd-boot uses (and other tools)

14:53 <davidlt> no gnu-efi, no systemd-boot

14:54 <davidlt> i.e. no UEFI bootloader

14:54 <rwmjones> it uses it to build their own BOOTX64.EFI ?

14:54 <davidlt> I guess so (didn't look into the details)

14:55 <davidlt> also efitools, fwupd-efi, mokutil, rEFInd, sbsigntools also need it

14:56 <rwmjones> I don't see those in systemd.spec

14:57 <rwmjones> systemd-boot.spec exists but says it's just there to sign systemd-boot-unsigned (from systemd.spec)

14:57 <davidlt> I will double check a bit later

14:59 <javierm> rwmjones, davidlt: IIUC systemd-boot doens't need gnu-efi anymore

14:59 <javierm> it now uses pyelftools instead

15:00 <davidlt> looking at systemd repo, and there is a commit: "tree-wide: Drop gnu-efi "

15:00 <davidlt> So it seems this dependency got removed

15:00 <davidlt> javierm, thanks for confirmation

15:01 <davidlt> So this will be fun (once I get to systemd + make a new disk image)

15:01 <javierm> https://github.com/systemd/systemd/commit/dfca5587cf2032f9ad06041b93b0da5cb39b9989 to be exact

15:01 <davidlt> I know Neal needed it for some brtfs related tools too

15:02 <javierm> it's needed though for shim, fwupd, etc

15:02 <javierm> as you said

15:34 <davidlt> javierm, there is a PR for shim from 1-2 years ago.

15:34 <davidlt> javierm, I disabled shim while working on Pungi composes, but it would be nice to have it in.

15:34 <davidlt> javierm, the binutils bits needed fro it landed (incl. a small fix from pjones)