17:36 <FromGitter> <mehmethankut_twitter> what is your favorite crystal ORM in 2021?

17:39 <FromGitter> <Blacksmoke16> https://crystal-lang.github.io/crystal-db/api/0.10.1/DB/Serializable.html has been working well enough for me imo

17:40 <FromGitter> <erdnaxeli:cervoi.se> oooh why I didn't know about this before

17:41 <FromGitter> <mehmethankut_twitter> > https://crystal-lang.github.io/crystal-db/api/0.10.1/DB/Serializable.html has been working well enough for me imo ⏎ ⏎ that's really cool

17:44 <FromGitter> <Blacksmoke16> doesnt handle saving, but for that i found it easy enough to just write something that destructs an object into a prepared statement, like ⏎ ⏎ ```code paste, see link``` [https://gitter.im/crystal-lang/crystal?at=61ba2969440178658b9845ae]

17:44 <FromGitter> <Blacksmoke16> er updated for the insert case

17:46 <FromGitter> <mehmethankut_twitter> I actually handled savings thanks to macro, I am saving attributes to an hash, using them later when I need to save

17:46 <FromGitter> <mehmethankut_twitter> I guess I will also create a query builder and combine it with that std stuff you've sent

17:48 <FromGitter> <Blacksmoke16> there are ORMs if you still want to go that route, Granite, Jennifer, Clear are all options

17:48 <FromGitter> <mehmethankut_twitter> I only checked Clear, it looks really cool except hash input for select part

17:49 <FromGitter> <mehmethankut_twitter> I will check out the others as well

17:49 <FromGitter> <mehmethankut_twitter> thanks a lot

17:51 <hightower2> Avram?

17:52 <FromGitter> <Blacksmoke16> afaik that ones tightly coupled to Lucky

17:54 <hightower2> I was checking its docs a couple times and didn't notice any particular assumptions of the rest of Lucky being used. Would someone know in more detail which case is the case? :)

17:59 <FromGitter> <Blacksmoke16> https://gist.github.com/Blacksmoke16/ee7e6d2b6414e3029481aa4d494ace5f is how i handled things. Is a bit coupled to Athena, but could use a singleton const of `EntityManager` and would work just as good. could also keep it an ivar with a default value of that singleton, just to make testing easier. As mentioned in the comments, it deff could be cleanedup/improved a bit more but :shrug: was a quick

17:59 <FromGitter> ... implementation just to get something working

18:27 <FromGitter> <mehmethankut_twitter> Athena is your framework right?

18:28 <FromGitter> <Blacksmoke16> yea

21:11 <riza> https://play.crystal-lang.org/#/r/cg3r D:

21:14 <riza> if I have an array of size 1, but I want to expand it ... is teh only way to trigger that expansion to do a <<?

21:15 <riza> even if I know and pre-allocate the size for the array, it still nopes me https://play.crystal-lang.org/#/r/cg3t

21:16 <FromGitter> <Blacksmoke16> https://github.com/crystal-lang/crystal/pull/11485

21:16 <riza> well thats good -- but in my last example I already have the capacity and it's still throwing

21:18 <FromGitter> <Blacksmoke16> this is expected i think since you cant skip an index

21:19 <FromGitter> <Blacksmoke16> so would need to fill up the array with values first

21:19 <riza> https://play.crystal-lang.org/#/r/cg3v

21:19 <riza> like that?

21:19 <FromGitter> <Blacksmoke16> https://play.crystal-lang.org/#/r/cg3x

21:22 <riza> if I want an Array(Array(T)), does that result in each Array(T) being a pointer to the same?

21:22 <riza> it does: https://play.crystal-lang.org/#/r/cg3z

21:24 <riza> I guess block notation then: https://play.crystal-lang.org/#/r/cg40

21:26 <riza> yeah that did it. man that was more painful than expected...

21:26 <riza> thanks for the help as always Blacksmoke, if I got paid for my mindless fiddling I'd owe you a tip

21:26 <riza> well I still owe you a tip, honestly

21:27 <FromGitter> <Blacksmoke16> haha all good

21:29 <raz> mehmethankut_twitter, clear ORM for me

21:33 <raz> oh wow, i never saw DB::Serializable tho. also looks neat for when you don't want the boon & bane of an actual ORM.

23:39 <FromGitter> <Blacksmoke16> yes, that + a few simple abstractions gets you most of the benefit w/o the complexity