01:44 <FromGitter> <mixflame> Does anyone know if Amber has a maintainer?

01:44 <FromGitter> <Blacksmoke16> there are a few iirc, but dont think they're super active these days. prob busy with rl

10:51 <hightower2> Uhm do I see it right that Bcrypt doesn't support '2b' algorithm passwords?

11:02 <hightower2> (I mean 2b are identical to 2a for <255 char passwords, but having a password with version '2b' doesn't verify successfully whereas '2a' does)

11:13 <hightower2> https://play.crystal-lang.org/#/r/cft3

11:27 <yxhuvud> it is not unlikely that noone has tried that before. Please file a bug report about it

11:27 <hightower2> will do, thanks

14:15 <FromGitter> <HertzDevil> i noticed there isn't a github label for annotations

14:41 <FromGitter> <asterite> @HertzDevil Now there is :-D (topic:lang:annotations)

16:55 <hightower2> :)

19:48 <FromGitter> <mehmethankut_twitter> i am at the beginning of my journey with crystal, everything seems great until now

19:48 <FromGitter> <mehmethankut_twitter> I can't help but wonder why it is not popular

19:48 <FromGitter> <mehmethankut_twitter> https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2021

19:48 <FromGitter> <mehmethankut_twitter> why 40 percent of people dreaded

19:49 <FromGitter> <mehmethankut_twitter> also I heard a criticism like: "rust has servo, golang has docker and kubernetes but crystal doesn't have a large scale popular project"

19:49 <FromGitter> <mehmethankut_twitter> is this true?

19:49 <FromGitter> <Blacksmoke16> prob the compile times :P

19:49 <FromGitter> <mehmethankut_twitter> is it that slow compared to golang and rust?

19:50 <FromGitter> <Blacksmoke16> compared to go, yes

19:51 <FromGitter> <mehmethankut_twitter> > also I heard a criticism like: "rust has servo, golang has docker and kubernetes but crystal doesn't have a large scale popular project" ⏎ ⏎ and what abou this

19:51 <FromGitter> <mehmethankut_twitter> is there a popular project written in crystal?

19:51 <FromGitter> <Blacksmoke16> define popular 😉

19:53 <FromGitter> <mehmethankut_twitter> well idk, I am just looking for an external confirmation that I didn't make a mistake by falling in love with crystal ⏎ if I see a large scale project, it might give me more confidence, make me feel like I won't regret in the future

19:53 <FromGitter> <Blacksmoke16> majority of crystal projects are for crystal, are a few that are meant to be used outside of the ecosystem, but nothing supermassive like k8s or something

19:53 <FromGitter> <Blacksmoke16> in the end its just not as popular as go/rust, and as such doesnt have as large of an ecosystem, yet

20:08 <FromGitter> <maxfierke> There's also no big tech company backing it (e.g. Go and Google, Mozilla and Rust). That can make some people hesitant. Obviously, there's lot of other languages without that, but the big ones people know about have existed for 2+ decades and have benefitted from good timing w/ the rise of the internet/web, the "anti-Java" movement of the mid-late 00s, etc.

20:17 <SamantazFox> mehmethankut_twitter: There is invidious! Probably *the* largest Crystal project so far...

20:18 <FromGitter> <mehmethankut_twitter> > *<SamantazFox>* @mehmethankut_twitter: There is invidious! Probably *the* largest Crystal project so far... ⏎ ⏎ the youtube project right

20:18 <SamantazFox> Or if it isn't the largest, very close with Lucky, Mango, Ducktape and Ameba

20:18 <FromGitter> <Blacksmoke16> figure out which framework you're switching to yet? 😉

20:18 <FromGitter> <Blacksmoke16> and shameless plug for https://github.com/Blacksmoke16/oq :P

20:20 <SamantazFox> Blacksmoke16 not yet, no xD

20:20 <SamantazFox> We have a contributor working on a prototype using Lucky

20:21 <FromGitter> <mehmethankut_twitter> > *<SamantazFox>* Or if it isn't the largest, very close with Lucky, Mango, Ducktape and Ameba ⏎ ⏎ I don't know any of these thing, what are they

20:22 <SamantazFox> Lucky and Ameba are two web frameworks (to make web apps

20:22 <SamantazFox> Ducktape is a Javascript engine

20:22 <FromGitter> <mehmethankut_twitter> they are for crystal?

20:22 <FromGitter> <Blacksmoke16> i think you mean Amber, ameba is a static analysis tool

20:22 <SamantazFox> And Mango is a manga server and reader

20:23 <SamantazFox> Blacksmoke16 Oh, right, my bad :x

20:23 <SamantazFox> too many letters in common xD

20:26 <FromGitter> <mehmethankut_twitter> > *<SamantazFox>* Ducktape is a Javascript engine ⏎ ⏎ can i have a link for this one, google search didn't show relevant result

20:49 <SamantazFox> mehmethankut_twitter: https://github.com/jessedoyle/duktape.cr.git

20:50 <SamantazFox> Ah, there was no C in the name

20:50 <FromGitter> <mehmethankut_twitter> oh I see, thanks

20:53 <FromGitter> <mehmethankut_twitter> https://github.com/jessedoyle/duktape.cr/blob/master/src/duktape/base.cr ⏎ in order to avoid using relative require like ".." ⏎ I am putting most of my core logic under lib folder, am I doing it wrong?

20:54 <FromGitter> <Blacksmoke16> like you created `lib/` on your own and have put stuff in it as opposed to `src/`?

20:54 <FromGitter> <mehmethankut_twitter> yeah

20:54 <FromGitter> <Blacksmoke16> yea thats a terrible idea

20:54 <FromGitter> <mehmethankut_twitter> can you explain why it is a terrible idea

20:55 <FromGitter> <Blacksmoke16> `lib/` is used by the package manager `shards`, so it could get overwritten/conflict if/when you install some shards

20:55 <FromGitter> <Blacksmoke16> all source code should go in `src/`

20:55 <FromGitter> <mehmethankut_twitter> is it possible to require files in src without relative paths?

20:56 <FromGitter> <Blacksmoke16> you can do glob requires, but the suggested way to do it is relative paths

20:57 <FromGitter> <Blacksmoke16> glob requires are nice to require a directory of related files, but it also can introduce issues when file `a.cr` depends on something from `z.cr` within that directory as the thing it needs wouldnt be required yet

20:57 <FromGitter> <Blacksmoke16> can checkout https://crystal-lang.org/reference/1.2/syntax_and_semantics/requiring_files.html for more info

20:59 <FromGitter> <Blacksmoke16> you *technically* could play with the `CRYSTAL_PATH` env var, but probably not worth it if you're just making a standard app or something

21:03 <FromGitter> <mehmethankut_twitter> I got you ⏎ if someone told me they are putting their js code under node_modules I would think that's a terrible idea too

21:03 <FromGitter> <mehmethankut_twitter> but darn it was so comfortable

21:03 <FromGitter> <Blacksmoke16> 😅 exactly

22:48 <raz> woah. TIL you can actually downgrade spotify back to when it was good: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hQLV9g5Brw4

22:48 <raz> oops, wrong channel.