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<DC-IRC> [Discord] <amazingfate> good news: rkdeveloptool on linux now supports switching flash devices: https://github.com/rockchip-linux/rkdeveloptool/pull/106
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <amazingfate> It's a shame that this is implemented by reverse engineering, not by rockchip
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <mecoblock> Same thought but glad we got this
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <superkali> Good to know 😊
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <menu> New board from Radxa - “Rock 5T”, they claim it’s “basically a small version of Rock 5 ITX”
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <johnthecoolingfan> Looks like it's a lot like rock 5b plus
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <johnthecoolingfan> the thing that made rock 5 itx to me appealing is onboard sata *and* NVMe M.2 but I guess with a second port you have the flexibility to do teh same or have 2 nvme m.2 drives for your potential nas
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <mecoblock> yeah pretty much rock5b+ with dual 2.5GbE and 12v dc instead of usb c
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <johnthecoolingfan> That's what I thinbk of this board
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <menu> i like the dual 2.5GbE, i love the WWAN option too
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <menu> it’s very clearly *supposed* to be a router/firewall, but there aren’t many router/firewall packages that support aarch64
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <johnthecoolingfan> What about openwrt?
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <menu> i don’t believe it’ll ever be supported hardware, it doesn’t appear any RK3588 has ever been supported properly
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <monkablyat> The question is will they ever build a real computer and don't just shit devices on the market
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <runaway97> ugh rock 5b+ is already in a pretty rough shape
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <runaway97> they claim rock 5b images work with it but thats not the case at all
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <runaway97> more and more boards and less and less software support
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <runaway97> great
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <monkablyat> While selling a ton of Android TV boxes they can't even build a clean Android at all
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <johnthecoolingfan> well, looks like I'll stick to a nas on a board I maintain, even though it's not as I/O rich as radxa boards
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <johnthecoolingfan> well, looks like I'll stick to a nas on a board I maintain, even though it's not as I/O rich as these radxa boards
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <monkablyat> Not sure if you could find at least 10 people who are not paid or programmed bots who claim RADXA software got any kind of quality
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <mecoblock> that’s just a wrong claim but on armbian support is great
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <mecoblock> that’s just a wrong claim (from them) but on armbian support is great
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <monkablyat> Dudes can't be more clown as they actually are that's for sure
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <gospod13337> Im planning on selling my opi5's and getting one 5b+ just because of 2x m2 slots for 2x asm1166. Is that a bad idea, since opi5 is kinda working atm?
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <zeeto9> I see mentioned often the lack of support for these boards, fairly so, but have you guys looked into some of the other companies? Qualcomm sbc are being released with full upstream Linux support, guaranteed 10 year support, Ubuntu certification and free OTA support for first 100 devices. https://www.particle.io/tachyon/
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <zeeto9> I know this is rockchip channel, but seems relevant to the ongoing “not supported” discussion.
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <igorpec> supported rockchip devices: https://www.armbian.com/download/?device_support=Platinum%20support
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <igorpec> problem are many free-riders that only shipps Rockchip hardware to the market, leaving all support costs to us
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <zeeto9> I don’t have the 5, but do I have two 5+. If you like to try different projects, I would say the 5+ is vastly superior for project ootions. If you only intend to have a specific setup and never change it, get the guard that matches the specs the closest
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <zeeto9> And we all are very much thankful for your support to. 🙏
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <zeeto9> I don’t have the 5, but do I have two 5+. If you like to try different projects, I would say the 5+ is vastly superior for project ootions. If you only intend to have a specific setup and never change it, get the board that matches the specs the closest
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <zeeto9> And we all are very much thankful for your support. 🙏
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <igorpec> but that does not pay the bills
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <igorpec> double abuse, from vendors and clients. nobody makes a donation for things they don't understand
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <superkali> Cute, I would like to see something compact with the new Soc at 12Core
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <superkali> That did not cost so obviously hahahah
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <superkali> Also because, now I think we have too many SBCs with the same Soc
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <menu> i wouldn’t mind if it was a properly supported SoC, but it’s getting a bit daft now
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <igorpec> "too many SBCs with the same Soc", we are pass that long time ago 😉 Every SoC generation make more different models
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <superkali> Exactly, each different model the same soc, with different customizations ..
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <superkali> If they continue to produce SBCS with the same soc knowing that, behind the immense job, the kernel, the optimization of the software, you arrive to the point that you don't understand anything anymore, and consequently a slowdown in the development of what I mentioned before .
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <igorpec> not their problem 😉 they sell hardware
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <menu> simple fact of the matter is, no matter how bad the hardware+software is, they can still sell it
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <superkali> Obviously .... they sell, with the kernel that provides them with Rockchip Stravecchio of 4/5 years, with 3000 thousand problems .. forget it, what a hindsight I have to make an immense list ..
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <superkali> Obviously .... they sell, with the kernel that provides them with Rockchip older of 4/5 years, with 3000 thousand problems .. forget it, what a hindsight I have to make an immense list ..
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <menu> take Framework for example, they’ve just announced a RISC-V board, with an old chipset that doesn’t support vector instructions
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <superkali> I am not very updated on Ris-V, I have never had the opportunity to test it, but I also think about it is the same situation, if not worse.
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <superkali> I am not very updated on Risc-V, I have never had the opportunity to test it, but I also think about it is the same situation, if not worse.
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <menu> it’s very much a market driven by “content creators”, at least in the consumer space
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <runaway97> riscv is unusable right now apart from some microcontrollers
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <superkali> Yes ... this makes me think a company from which I had the opportunity to try their SBC and then I go to discover that they had not even released a server system only (Example Debian 12 Server Version)
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <superkali> I saw various videos of Content Creators where they try it, it didn't deeply hoist me.
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <menu> i dislike using “server” nomenclature for a distribution, it’s the same damn OS
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <runaway97> i mean unusable because riscv platforms have the performance of an underclocked raspberry pi 1
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <superkali> Better minimal? without interface graphics lol
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <menu> heh i don’t run graphics on *most* of my systems
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <menu> i had a first-run Pi, good god that was terrible hardware
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <superkali> Not even me, I use everything without interface, but the problem was that they only had an operating system with a graphic interface, and when I asked him, but you don't have a server version? They didn't know how to answer me .....
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <superkali> Oh God
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <menu> i honestly do not believe **any** hardware should *require* a custom distro, OEMs should actively strive for mainline support
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <superkali> Maybe in our dreams 🙂
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <superkali> 🙂
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <menu> it would be considered absolutely ridiculous if say, Intel released a chipset then insisted it would only work under their linux distribution and they made no attempt at mainline support
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <superkali> You are fully right, but here the situation is different, not even Rockchip in itself supports its own SoC, imagine if they do those who produce the SBCs.
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <menu> realistically it’s not going to change, but if it was possible, buying non-Rockchip hardware would help
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <zeeto9> That’s why I mentioned particle tachyon. But one seems to have any comments on it.
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <zeeto9> That’s why I mentioned particle tachyon. But no one seems to have any comments on it.
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <runaway97> what do you mean
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <runaway97> you re not going to buy the latest and greatest rk3688???
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <runaway97> powered by Android 15 ™️ (optional janky linux with same kernel)
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <runaway97> (no vulkan support there, maybe after 10 years)
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <runaway97> (panfork v2)
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <menu> i’d never heard of it, it looks like it’s just a Fairphone 5 with no screen/camera, but it costs more than Intel
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <zeeto9> At the moment, first time buyers get 50% off.
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <zeeto9> I preorder and am waiting for it
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <menu> it didn’t offer me that, but i’m in the UK, so it’d be crazy expensive to land here anyway
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <zeeto9> I had to signup for an account. I didn’t even know it was a thing.
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <djaye> I just installed Armbian on a MXQ Pro 4k 5g tv box and wifi is not working, I opened the case and the wifi chip name is EA6521QF. Anyone knows what the hell that is?
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <zeeto9> There is also the rubik pi 3 with same soc of that on, but cheaper at around $175
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <zeeto9> There is also the rubik pi 3 with same soc of the tachyon, but cheaper at around $175
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <zeeto9> My hope is that more mainstream companies are starting to think maybe sbc is a valid growth avenue long term
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <menu> it’s one of these <https://api.cert.wi-fi.org/api/certificate/download/public?variantId=136674>; see #tvboxes though
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <djaye> is it supported in Linux? do you know which module should i enable when compiling the kernel?
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <menu> probably not a public driver/module, that’s the nature of TV boxes
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <djaye> any way to get it working? is copying the module from stock firmware possible?
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <menu> not likely, unless you’re also running their kernel, there’s a reason we don’t support TV boxes
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <menu> *all* of the documentation for that chip is in Chinese, and i don’t know any technical translators
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <djaye> I will try booting their kernel then
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <user112990> yeah, well I am not making that mistake again. for all its shortcomings the Raspberry Pi is waaaaay better supported. Not totally OPi fault ...rockchip share some blame...but as an end user, I regret my choice,
<DC-IRC> [Discord] <djaye> is it as simple as extracting the kernel from the stock android rom, dtb and generating a new initrd for its modules? is the android kernel even capable of running a regular Linux distro like Debian/armbian?