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<Armbian-Discord> <J​glover99721> howdy folks. found armiban through the Helm shutdown. it was a secure self hosted email server that the vendor is shutting down the backend as of the end of the year. its a 6 core rockchip SoC SBC mine has a 1TB M.2 SSD so plenty of room to do various things. current plan is as a backend server for minor services i want to run on my network. i have not flashed the new image yet. that will be a next week or
<Armbian-Discord> more likely whenever the heck i don't wind up working Overtime for a few days. lol.
<Armbian-Discord> <M​anoftheSea> Opi 5: 5v 4a USB PD? isn't that out of spec anyway?
<Armbian-Discord> <M​anoftheSea> Why is it so popular to do 5v? Is it cheaper?
<Armbian-Discord> <M​anoftheSea> This helm thing looks like butt. It doesn't even identify the processor? And it's way too expensive
<Armbian-Discord> <M​anoftheSea> I can get a quieter3c for cheaper
<Armbian-Discord> <M​anoftheSea> 6 core rockchip sounds like 3399
<Armbian-Discord> <I​daho 🌴> hello there people, I just setup armbian on my pinebook pro SD card and I'd like to move it to my emmc, is using dd the recommended way or is there some other ways?
<Armbian-Discord> <M​anoftheSea> Armbian install script
<Armbian-Discord> <M​anoftheSea> armbian-install script
<Armbian-Discord> <I​daho 🌴> oh ok, great, there's an install script 🙂
<Armbian-Discord> <I​daho 🌴> thx for the info
<Armbian-Discord> <I​daho 🌴> eh, xfce seems frozen but ok
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> there is a quick start quide too https://docs.armbian.com/User-Guide_Getting-Started/
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> what is frozen?
<Armbian-Discord> <I​daho 🌴> xfce was not responding right after setup on my SD, I just powered off the pbpro
<Armbian-Discord> <I​daho 🌴> old IT trick :^)
<Armbian-Discord> <I​daho 🌴> eh, loading screen takes forever now
<Armbian-Discord> <I​daho 🌴> I wonder if my SD card ain't messed up
<Armbian-Discord> <I​daho 🌴> hmm, the install script doesn't seem to have options to install the OS on the emmc
<Armbian-Discord> <I​daho 🌴> options to update the bootloader on the SD/emmc but when I run it it just says done and didn't give me choice
<Armbian-Discord> <I​daho 🌴> I think I'll just dd the SD card onto the emmc
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> i don't know what is the status of PinebookPro
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> we will probably need to retire support as former maintainer didn't show up for awhile
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> our installer works if firmware is in good shape. but as pine64 rely exclusively on amateurs to maintain this .... things works or not.
<Armbian-Discord> <I​daho 🌴> 😢
<Armbian-Discord> <I​daho 🌴> eh well, I might have messed up something
<Armbian-Discord> <I​daho 🌴> I decided to move from manjaro to armbian because armbian has multiarch and I prefer debian based distros anyway
<Armbian-Discord> <I​daho 🌴> I'll try to just dd the image itself to the emmc, it should work this way
<Armbian-Discord> <I​daho 🌴> I'll tell you how it goes
<Armbian-Discord> <I​daho 🌴> armbian really is the way to go for this device imho, I dunno why it ships with manjaro, there's so much more fun things you can do with a multiarch distro
<Armbian-Discord> <I​daho 🌴> dding the image to emmc did the trick, works like a charm now
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> complicated question
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> this could shed some light https://blog.brixit.nl/why-i-left-pine64/
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> Why I left PINE64
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> None
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> we need to either fix or remove pbp support; our patches are very outdated, I wonder how even they apply much less compile.
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> (ofc said patches mostly from manjaro btw)
<Armbian-Discord> <I​daho 🌴> I was originally happy of that manjaro oriented move but I wasn't aware of many key technical implications at the time, I just thought "Manjaro is a cool distro" 😦
<Armbian-Discord> <I​daho 🌴> what's very sad is that the pbpro initially shipped with a debian based home made distro and they ditched that entirely for Manjaro
<Armbian-Discord> <I​daho 🌴> so the pbpro was originally going in the right direction
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> pine64 are married to manjaro
<Armbian-Discord> <I​daho 🌴> yeah, wasn't always like that but it'll likely stay like that for long now
<Armbian-Discord> <I​daho 🌴> the hardware is great but I don't understand, Manjaro is not a good distro for the arm environment
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> this is how you leverage support to community
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> provide hardware with shit software
<Armbian-Discord> <I​daho 🌴> :/
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> and manjaro is paid for doing this
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> that's why they are doing it in first place
<Armbian-Discord> <I​daho 🌴> you mean barely anything? kek
<Armbian-Discord> <I​daho 🌴> if only manjaro had multiarch
<Armbian-Discord> <I​daho 🌴> it wouldn't be so bad
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> why they are good or bad ... IMO its start with a general orientation of the project
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> but this is what they do.
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> there are many options
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> the problem comes with this arm custom hardware
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> where support is different
<Armbian-Discord> <I​daho 🌴> yeah indeed ^^
<Armbian-Discord> <I​daho 🌴> do you guys know the twisterOS team?
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> i know then on what they tried to do to armbian 😉
<Armbian-Discord> <I​daho 🌴> lol, what did they try to do?
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> they come to the idea to just sell armbian as their os
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> like everything
<Armbian-Discord> <I​daho 🌴> hmmm
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> every line of code that was done by armbian they sold as their development ... for a few months / half a year
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> some strange interpretation of open source
<Armbian-Discord> <I​daho 🌴> I don't think twisterOS tries to hide that their stuff is based on armbian, at least not the last time I tried their stuff
<Armbian-Discord> <I​daho 🌴> but that was a year ago
<Armbian-Discord> <I​daho 🌴> you probably know the situation better than I do
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> its yet another complex problem. there are holes in the system and they were trying to use them for advancing
<Armbian-Discord> <I​daho 🌴> hmm
<Armbian-Discord> <I​daho 🌴> I was talking about them because their website states that they support pinebook pro so I thought if you have issues supporting pinebook pro maybe you could join efforts
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> its like when X OS is using our kernel and users send them - hey guys, thank you for making this system so stable. And they say "thanks"
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> join efforts with who?
<Armbian-Discord> <I​daho 🌴> twisterOS ^^
<Armbian-Discord> <I​daho 🌴> but seeing the situation prolly not
<Armbian-Discord> <I​daho 🌴> that was just my initial idea
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> i have asked them, some responded, some ignored
<Armbian-Discord> <I​daho 🌴> I see
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> but at the end, their contribution is more like sales and support, their development capacity is small
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> they took our desktop and add more packages. that's it
<Armbian-Discord> <I​daho 🌴> yeah, too many of them to my liking, that's why I decided to use armbian, last time I tried to use twister I thought "well this is cool, now time to make this thing my own" I put on a password and change the username
<Armbian-Discord> <I​daho 🌴> everything broke
<Armbian-Discord> <I​daho 🌴> lel
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> yeah, its very amateurish / hacked together
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> i mean we could still be able to work together, but path didn't crossed yet
<Armbian-Discord> <I​daho 🌴> I see
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> who wouldn't like to have more people on their project?
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> we would be able to have more, better polished deskops
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> but maintaining is hard work ... tweaking, changing wallpaper and install few things is by the way work
<Armbian-Discord> <I​daho 🌴> the xfce experience on armbian for the pbp seems ok for now, I think bluetooth is broken tho
<Armbian-Discord> <I​daho 🌴> not sure if this is the GUI or the driver
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> i have see reports. probably kernel, not sure. but this is pinebook since ever
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> working, not working, working not working
<Armbian-Discord> <I​daho 🌴> lel
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> and we didn't invest since this pinejaro deal
<Armbian-Discord> <I​daho 🌴> yeah, this device is nice but too amateurish maybe, tho it's one of the only one that has this nice laptop form factor
<Armbian-Discord> <I​daho 🌴> bluetooth was janky on manjaro anyways
<Armbian-Discord> <I​daho 🌴> so if it doesn't work at all here, it's not that bad
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> it could be in good shape, but it vendor expect that we throw hundreds of thausands into their business and they give nothing ...
<Armbian-Discord> <I​daho 🌴> I like to use my jbl speaker to watch movies on the pbpro, it's pretty energy effecient
<Armbian-Discord> <I​daho 🌴> Not even dev units?
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> dev units doesn't cover expenses
<Armbian-Discord> <I​daho 🌴> yeah but that's like the bare minimum to give ^^
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> this is not giving
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> this is insult. usually they even sent pre-production devices that are broken in some way and can't be sold
<Armbian-Discord> <I​daho 🌴> lel, how can a dev make proper drivers if there's no proper hardware
<Armbian-Discord> <m​onkaBlyat> twister is thankfully dead it went into a wrong direction ,i was one of the guys who did it and i was the guy who killed it 🙂
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> hey Monka!
<Armbian-Discord> <m​onkaBlyat> hi igor 🙂
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> proper hardware is one thing, but relying solo or primarily on burned out amateurs to do the hard work is ...
<Armbian-Discord> <I​daho 🌴> yeah, I get that too
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> and we are quite seriously involved into producing software. its not hacking and apt-get install work
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> in pbp's case maintainer is listed as seclorum
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> yes. perhaps we need to ping him / again.
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> don't see him in git logs
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> yes, he is not around but it seems alive otherwise
<Armbian-Discord> <m​onkaBlyat> guys i'm reading the doc's and look for the env how to build with a efi boot partion but i can't find anything or maybe i'm just blind ,can somebody point me in the direction ?
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> not sure if this is user property, its board property and i think this is not in the main branch
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> uefi has it by default, the rest is balbes150 experimenting
<Armbian-Discord> <m​onkaBlyat> thank you i will check his github
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> Oleg has cloned the grub extension... I have not tried it yet
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> Then re-copied to riscv64 btw
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> Pinged seclorum ... will see if he gets back
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> board-pbp-add-dp-alt-mode awaits him
<Armbian-Discord> <I​daho 🌴> When I first boot the distro for setup I get this message about Bluetooth
<Armbian-Discord> <I​daho 🌴> If it's of any help...
<Armbian-Discord> <I​daho 🌴> Prolly not
<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> none
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> bad def for the pin likely, only a BT problem
<Armbian-Discord> <I​daho 🌴> If there's some debugging I can do to help figure out the issue ping me and I'll do what I can
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> The entire patch folder for that family is a dumpster fire, so let me sort through the parts I'm responsible for, and maybe something will surface 😄
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> for the pbp, best idea would be to research/steal a sane patchset from pine/manjaro/wtf and try a clean build with only those, then work from that
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> now, does a sane patchset exist anywhere?
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> spikerguy's?
<Armbian-Discord> <r​pardini> hah.
<Armbian-Discord> <M​anoftheSea> There's a flag to do GPT, but I don't know how well it actually builds.