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<Armbian-Discord> <M​anoftheSea> What's the best 3399 board?
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> Depends on desires but Rockpro64 or rock pi 4b+ are good places to start
<Armbian-Discord> <M​anoftheSea> Thanks
<Armbian-Discord> <c​0rnelius> get a nanopc t4. pine64 sucks
<Armbian-Discord> <c​0rnelius> this is of course just me throwing shade for no real reason 🙂 but yeah pine is vomit fuel in which the opensource community just keep sucking up for some reason. Its like iphones for the common folk at this point.
<Armbian-Discord> <c​0rnelius> pines contribution to opensource is was what Donald Trump is to conservationism. a straight rape in which people lay down and take because they wanna believe... there is some real shade 😉
<Armbian-Discord> <M​anoftheSea> It's really hard to take any of your advice when it's so full of dirty needles like that
<Armbian-Discord> <M​anoftheSea> Also, "lie down", because grammatically
<Armbian-Discord> <M​anoftheSea> Also, I think the right answer is "pinebook pro"
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> pinebook pro needs an NVMe to be useful. and it needs firmware nonsense with that stupid microcontroller running the keyboard/trackpad
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> it is nice, but it is not nice enough
<Armbian-Discord> <c​0rnelius> I wouldn't take my advice cuz I mostly joking. But I think you'll find if you buy pine you'll be disappointed. But also I think you'll find that with most of everything so there is that as well.
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I have a T4 and second it as a prime platform. I also have a Libre Computer Renegade Elite, with the PoE/NVMe mezzanine it is killer
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Install u-boot to the SPI and enjoy
<Armbian-Discord> <b​albes150> The question is incorrect. The main thing is not specified - the purpose of use (a description of what the device is needed and will be used for). All the tips that have been written here about specific models are complete nonsense, each has its pros and cons, critical for SPECIFIC tasks. There is no perfect device.
<Armbian-Discord> <M​icroLinux (Salva)> that's the right answer
<Armbian-Discord> <M​icroLinux (Salva)> to me, there is no perfect rk3399 even for my specific requirement, desktop. rockpro64 is the closest tho. but would be better to have an m.2 port instead of pci for what I need to do with those lanes..
<Armbian-Discord> <M​icroLinux (Salva)> the T4 has embedded emmc and no spi. so, not the best for a complex (and expensive) SBC
<Armbian-Discord> <M​icroLinux (Salva)> but it was the best back in the day. also, the official cooling solution is rather bad.
<Armbian-Discord> <M​anoftheSea> Thanks balbes
<Armbian-Discord> <a​mazingfate> no best in 33xx, but there may be some best boards in 35xx
<Armbian-Discord> <c​0rnelius> The price of the T4 is ridiculous.
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> @ManoftheSea yeah what is your desired use case
<Armbian-Discord> <M​anoftheSea> Light money on fire, mostly
<Armbian-Discord> <M​anoftheSea> No real use case, so balbes is right
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> Get vim edge pro and accessories if you want to light money on fire
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> I can't speak for what the post covid opi4 is like, but previously it was a good value with onboard 16 gig emmc as a worker bee
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> Rock pi 4b+ is priced well and works out of box
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> Rockpro64 has perk of full sized pcie slot which is why I mentioned it
<Armbian-Discord> <M​anoftheSea> I saw the R4SE, which is new to me. Article was calling it a NAS board. It doesn't have any storage ports
<Armbian-Discord> <M​anoftheSea> NASty
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> I'd avoid r4se for now unless you want fiddling. It's basically some custom permutations of the rock 4. New marketing new distribution channels etc
<Armbian-Discord> <M​anoftheSea> Rockpro64 and a liquid security 2. Perfect
<Armbian-Discord> <b​albes150> The concept of "using the desktop" is sooo stretchable, without specifics it makes no sense to discuss.
<Armbian-Discord> <b​albes150> $ 150 for the minimum set + 50-100 for delivery - - this is clearly not the best side of T4
<Armbian-Discord> <b​albes150> EDGE-V (first generation) is the stupidest technical solution, with a wild price (for a full-fledged kit with the main plus 3399 - M2\Nvme slot) and a very poor cooling system
<Armbian-Discord> <M​anoftheSea> Why don't more (any?) boards do full-sized SD slots?
<Armbian-Discord> <c​0rnelius> I got mine when it came out and I can swear it cost more now to get it.
<Armbian-Discord> <c​0rnelius> great board though
<Armbian-Discord> <M​anoftheSea> I was looking at them recently, and it seems like SD cards can get nearly double the read speed as uSD's
<Armbian-Discord> <b​albes150> RockPI4 has a very poor implementation of the M2 connection (the flexible cable is very easily damaged and prone to interference, which dramatically and unpredictably changes the performance of NVMe)
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> In a few years maybe
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Sorry not sorry that kernel is unacceptable.
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I can't think of the last time I used a full sized SD
<Armbian-Discord> <M​anoftheSea> not a photographer?
<Armbian-Discord> <M​anoftheSea> For the same money, I think they're significantly faster or bigger or both
<Armbian-Discord> <M​anoftheSea> And you can still use a uSD, since just about every uSD comes with the size converter...
<Armbian-Discord> <M​anoftheSea> Though, I guess UHS-I is supposed to top out at 104 MB/s, though uSD can do 120 and SD have up to 170 MB/s; and we're starting to see UHS-II as yet another thing to track with these tiny cards.
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> who needs a cable when you can commit crimes like this? https://armbian.lane-fu.com/linx/s/ey0edzpb.png
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> @ManoftheSea i just buy bigger sized micro-sd's for performance.... minimum size i buy is 64 gig now...
<Armbian-Discord> <M​anoftheSea> I think I have a 128 GB in my openWRT ebin, which uses 100 MB of formatted space
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> lol
<Armbian-Discord> <E​vilGremlin> 16G is minimum you can get in A1 class, but realistically 32G because 16 are rare
<Armbian-Discord> <E​vilGremlin> are there any SBC that tangibly benefit from A2 class yet?
<Armbian-Discord> <b​albes150> and the pencil \ cable that fell on NVMe, break off the whole structure .... try to offer this option to your customers, I wonder if they will work with you after that? :))))))
<Armbian-Discord> <M​anoftheSea> what is that?
<Armbian-Discord> <M​anoftheSea> also, the camera makes the whole thing look like a computer render
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> yeah wouldnt offer to customers.. I do realy liek Raxda's B form factor for the sake of NVME placement
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> that's a rock 4b+ using NVME in "kick-stand mode" since i don't hvae their adapter to flip the card around hte other direction
<Armbian-Discord> <M​anoftheSea> is there any explanation for why they couldn't have laid it out better, with the 2242 or 2280 nuts?
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> i dont think any RPI formfactor board even tries without an adapter....
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> radxa does SoC on bottom for the Rock 4.. so they can run a big heat sink etc
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> Khadas Edge V also needs a little adapter board for nvme
<Armbian-Discord> <M​anoftheSea> oh yeah, one of the ones you suggested looks like the storage slot goes right over the processor.
<Armbian-Discord> <M​anoftheSea> Seemed like a bad way to do it.
<Armbian-Discord> <M​anoftheSea> Oh, I guess it is that one, with the "flip it around"
<Armbian-Discord> <M​anoftheSea> the 4c looks like a little better setup
<Armbian-Discord> <M​anoftheSea> But they're all USB-C PD powered? Wasn't that the awful way to do it?
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> if you're feeding them 5v from standard usb port dont matter
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> i just feed mine from an old school usb-a charge hub max 2.4amp per port and its fine
<Armbian-Discord> <M​anoftheSea> but it's not a 12V connection
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> not the way i was doin git
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> i'm not sure if the regulatres will take raw 12v into teh ports like the rock5 does or not
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> not qualified to answser
<Armbian-Discord> <c​0rnelius> sorry about the people blowing up the forum concerning the R5S.
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> people staying on topic in a single thread.... you monster
<Armbian-Discord> <c​0rnelius> 🙂 you know what I mean.
<Armbian-Discord> <c​0rnelius> i directed them to post elsewhere because its not specific to armbian. of course peps don't listen.
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> or read in my case
<Armbian-Discord> <c​0rnelius> that too
<Armbian-Discord> <c​0rnelius> Someone with the HW could do a PR though. The basics are done and pretty much functional from what I can tell. Waiting on the last bit of feedback. But it seems on a general level complete.
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Mainline R5S?
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Tell FA to send me some beer money
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> 🤷‍♂️😆
<Armbian-Discord> <c​0rnelius> Tell them to send me some too, along with the unit 😉
<Armbian-Discord> <c​0rnelius> I was looking at the pricing and I don't understand why its cheaper than the R4SE. What logic is that?
<Armbian-Discord> <c​0rnelius> I sorta do... But the 3399 has been out forever now.
<Armbian-Discord> <c​0rnelius> SoCs don't age like old cars Ur not getting them for their vintage old school styling.