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<heat>
well yes i don't think anyone's opposed to that
<heat>
but the wiki is contributor-driven :)
<gog>
hi
<mjg>
heat: pipe1 -t 1 onyx vs mitigations=off linux
<mcrod>
gog may I pet you
<heat>
ok, 2.4M for linux (its scaling pretty perfectly), 1.5M for onyx (whereas it's 1M-per-core for -t 4)
<mjg>
sounds like your pipes are shite
<heat>
why?
<zid>
he should attend the linux's plumbers conference
<zid>
learn how to do his pipes properly
<heat>
there was one in lisbon in 2019 actually, i'm still sad i didn't go :(
<heat>
"hi al im a big fa-" fuck off mate bloody hell
<zid>
"Mr. Viro!! MR. VIRO!! CAN I HAVE YOUR AUTOGRPAH!?"
<mcrod>
someone in high school was a huge, huge fan of rms
<mjg>
:d
<zid>
we all are here
<mcrod>
which is unfortunate
<mcrod>
_but_
<mcrod>
unlike him, you presumably shower and don't annoy random people, even people who aren't software people at all, about rms
<zid>
I do not shower
<mcrod>
remind me never to go to germany
<zid>
but I also don't crash at other people's houses and molest their pet birds
<zid>
why germany
<mcrod>
don't you live in germany
<heat>
what
<zid>
why the fuck would I live in germany
<mcrod>
i don't know?
<zid>
you seemed pretty confident
<mcrod>
i know (think?) heat lives in portugal
<mcrod>
I truly believed you lived in germany for this entire time, my goodness
<zid>
wonder where you got that from
<zid>
I tell way too many hilarious jokes
<heat>
no i'm in lisbon ohio
<zid>
don't trust him, he's in porto
<heat>
living in ohio SUCKS
<heat>
see, i'm ohioan
<zid>
yea, you know the lyrics
<mjg>
if you shower you can't eat foot food
<mjg>
so
<mjg>
mcrod: ^^
<mcrod>
he didn't fare too well after he graduated
<mcrod>
and I really felt bad for him
<mcrod>
he wasn't a bad guy, was just fucking totally obsessed with free software
<mcrod>
would never shut up about linux, would never shut up about FOSS, would never shut up about the genius of richard stallman
<mcrod>
accordingly, he managed to alienate basically everyone.
<mjg>
maybe mentally ill
<morgan>
can't imagine why
<mjg>
just sayin
<mcrod>
no, he definitely was
<morgan>
i mean my brain don't brain so good either but even i can tell rms is a weirdass
<mcrod>
i actually get really depressed talking about him
<mcrod>
when you're in high school, you are a dumbass, I don't care how smart you think you are
<morgan>
true
<mcrod>
and i wish i treated him better.
* mjg
notes there are people who peaked in high school
<mcrod>
i still am going to over generalize the high school population around the world
<morgan>
mjg thats not mutually exclusive
<mcrod>
in general, they do not have the life experience, or the emotional maturity necessary
<mjg>
i'm saying they peaked as dumbasses
<mcrod>
"nothing bad is ever going to happen to me", "this will never happen to me", etc. inability to plan for the future or even care about it, or to consider other possibilities beyond their own world view
<mcrod>
poor inhibitory control
<mcrod>
note that *we were all there*
<mcrod>
some less than others
<mcrod>
but, uh, our brains don't fully develop until we hit 25.
<mcrod>
so there's that.
<morgan>
tbh i hate that anecdote because so many people use it to trivialize *anything* a person under 25 feels or goes through
<mcrod>
right, and I'm not trying to trivialize it
<heat>
mjg, ok tbf i don't see why my pipe is sucking, except that maybe they're not going into the page allocator as much as my code is
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<klange>
If only I had moderator access for /r/osdev, I would take this opportunity to release JOOS: The John Oliver Operating System
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<zid>
I touched a grass :(
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<zid>
On the plus side, my friend is mystical
<zid>
wheelbarrow has a puncture, was putting off buying it a puncture repair kit
<zid>
friend I haven't seen in a few weeks sends me a text, "You up? Going shopping if you wanna hang out, need a puncture repair kit and some burgers"
<mcrod>
hi
<mcrod>
why do people tell me lies
<sortie>
Ah it's because they too lie to themselves and have been lied to
<sortie>
This is the truth.
<mcrod>
the wisdom of the ages
<mcrod>
(but no, I don't mean a serious lie, I mean code size related lies)
<sortie>
oh no
<zid>
wishful thinking
<zid>
"cmake is a lovely tight small project with no problems"
<mcrod>
this is so insignificant beyond belief, but.
<zid>
isn't that arm
<zid>
and one instruction either way
<mcrod>
yes
<zid>
so the exact same size
<mcrod>
i know.
<mcrod>
that's what i'm saying
<zid>
a tie is not a victory sorry
<mcrod>
on x86-64 it is definitely one instruction extra for the first example however
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<zid>
well yea, it has actual code :P
<zid>
the former would actually be smaller if the constant was different though
<zid>
they're the same size otherwise
<zid>
(aka a 64bit one)
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<zid>
good news also, my grep failed, one of the ebooks I zipgrepped had the entire novel on a single line with no linebreaks
<zid>
so flooded out my backbuffer
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<mcrod>
sounds particularly dirty.
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<gog>
HI
<gog>
sorry for yelling
<gog>
hi
<mcrod>
gog may I pet you
<gog>
yes
* mcrod
pets gog
* gog
prr
<mcrod>
i seriously wish I had an intel machine so I could use vtune better
<mcrod>
god
<mcrod>
amd uprof is nowhere near their level
<zid>
amd amd amd
<zid>
intel is dead mcfrdy
<zid>
mcrod
<mcrod>
they will live on
<mcrod>
i work in the semiconductor industry
<mcrod>
worked*
<mcrod>
they're not going anywhere no matter how big AMD gets
<zid>
AMD AMD AMD
<zid>
xeon was great, so was coal
<mjg>
gog: can you pet me
* gog
pet mjg
<gog>
AMD AMD AMD
<gog>
i love my zen2
<gog>
best computer i've had
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<mcrod>
intel will still be the "king" of gaming for the foreseeable future, if only to get a few extra FPS these days
<gog>
multitasking is king
<zid>
except
<gog>
AMD AMD AMD
<zid>
x3d is gaming king
* mjg
burps
<mjg>
gog: senkju
<gog>
AMD ADHD
<mjg>
mcrod: i'm out of touch with gaming, my impression was that it is all 60 fps :S
<mcrod>
zid it doesn't matter what we believe, Intel is still the go-to for the die hard core enthusiasts is all I'm saying
<mjg>
for the 60hz casual gamer
<mjg>
REAL GAMERS are on 120hz ofc
<zid>
120? lol
<mjg>
higher now?
<gog>
144Hz
<zid>
people are doing 240hz these days
<mjg>
huh
<mcrod>
i'm on 144hz
<mjg>
does that provide a visible difference?
<zid>
144hz was the *first* real upgrade to 60hz, the benq xl11q or whatever it was
<mjg>
vs 120
<mcrod>
will never use 60hz again
<zid>
120 came later, realistically
<mjg>
again, 60 -> 120 is a mssive jump even casuals can see
<mjg>
i have no idea past that
<zid>
yea it's basically pointless except for fps games
* mjg
was a fps gamer, so... ;)
<zid>
the image quality is too shockingly shit to make 144 -> 240 worth it
<gog>
are you now or have you ever been a gamer
<zid>
XL2411P
<mcrod>
immediate guess: world of warcraft
<zid>
I almost got one for £18 but I passed on it because it was scratched, wish I bought it now
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<zid>
and tried to polish the scratch out
<mjg>
gotta play saper minesweeper at 140hz minimum
<zid>
like, even on the 144hz panels, the gtg time is longer than 1/144th of a second
<mjg>
gog: me? i used to be a gamer, not anymore
<zid>
240hz stand 0 chance
* mjg
sheds a tear
<mjg>
gog: i left that life behind!
<gog>
you've repented for your sins
<mjg>
speaking of sins
<mjg>
i had seen a guy playing counterstrike with trackpoint instead of a mouse
<mjg>
he was a roommate of a friend of mine
<mjg>
so
<zid>
maybe he had original sin
<zid>
and that was the penitence
<gog>
i play new vegas with a trackpad
<mjg>
i walk into the room, meet him for the first time, he is playing as described above
<mjg>
the round ends, he wasnts to shake my hand
<mjg>
i told him i can shake his left hand instead
<mjg>
i was maybe 20 years old at the time
<mjg>
he did not take it well
<zid>
mjg a bm asshole irl, not surprised :p
<mjg>
dude i don't act like that for over a decade now
<mjg>
but ye, i did say some shit to people
<zid>
you seem awfully proud of this story :P
<mjg>
i am, the guy was a twat
<mjg>
as i learned later
<mjg>
basically i lucked out on this one
<zid>
You broke him mentally
<zid>
"wow, it doesn't matter how nice I am, mjg is going to treat me like a cunt. Fuck people, I'm done"
<zid>
his life was never the same
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<mjg>
who knows, maybe he ditched cs or started playing with a mouse
<mjg>
either way a marked improvement
<zid>
I mean that's a positive outcome I guess
<gog>
i don't play games i'm not a nerd
<zid>
I play
<zid>
zachtronics solitaire collection
<gog>
(crying_nerd_wojak.jpg)
<mjg>
there wsa a great polish bm saying, has a great vibe to it in polish
<zid>
but I only have a 60hz monitor, so I can't play real games
<mjg>
translated it is "cheers & you should practice"
<mjg>
a go-to after winning a game
<mjg>
for interested the original is "pozdro & poćwicz"
<zid>
practicing is cheating.
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<mjg>
fun fact, in my experience it is women who were most eager to talk shit after the game
<zid>
selfdefence
<zid>
need to keep the mjgs away
<mjg>
for example i knew one who liked to play team games. after each win she would urge people to write "ez" in the chat
<mjg>
she was polish as well os maybe there is something to it
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<sakasama>
Competitive women tend to be more brutal than men, in my experience. afaict it's mostly because they misinterpret the vitriolic "dog eats dog" pattern of male interaction as dominance.
<zid>
Just tired of being asked to make sandwiches after they lose
<sakasama>
You should make sandwiches before the match instead.
<gog>
egga nd cheese sandwich
<mjg>
joke is on them, she is already playing from the kitchen!
<heat>
i've just watched like 30 minutes of lightning talks on the linux fs mm conference
<heat>
holy crap that was so boring
<heat>
where's bryan cantrill
<sakasama>
The true struggle is in who will do the dishes and launder the napkins.
<gog>
kissing girls
<mjg>
kissing dave iller
<gog>
too busy to talk about performanace
<heat>
mjg, also mofo where's al viro from?
<mjg>
russia i think
<heat>
ohhhhhhhhhhh ok makes sense
<mjg>
something with the fucked alphabet
<heat>
i thought he was british from the .uk on his email but his thick-ass eastern european accent kind of gave it away
<mjg>
gog: do you play multiplayer?
<mjg>
are there even REAL GAMERS in here
<gog>
stardew valley and factorio occasionally but only with friends
<zid>
Have you ever kissed a dave miller?
<mjg>
i kissed a sparc-based box
<mjg>
gog: welcome to not a gamer club!
<gog>
i'm not a gamer
<mjg>
ye welcome to the club
<gog>
i've been a member longer than you :)
<sakasama>
I was a gamer, once.
<gog>
then they targeted you
<heat>
if dave miller doesn't kiss girls, does he kiss boys instead 😳
<gog>
and i didn't speak up because i was not a gamer
<gog>
i'm gonna play not games now
<heat>
gamers are an endangered minority
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<mjg>
gog: you maek me feel unwelcome in my newfound identity
<mjg>
the best shit about gaming is when people try to flex on you how much more time they sank into the game
<mjg>
liek mofo, you are making me rethink my choices here
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<gog>
lol
<zid>
> practicing is cheating.
<zid>
True measre of your epeen is to say "Oh this game looks cool, what are the buttons?" to your friend who has played 40 hours already
<zid>
and smashing them
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<mjg>
mate that's not the real big dick move
<mjg>
here is a 10 incher exclusive
<mjg>
say you are ranked diamond in the game and you have a friend who is ranked gold
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<mjg>
the game is f2p and there is an account you share for lulz
<mjg>
friend tanks it to gold
<mjg>
and then you generously get it back up to diamond by de facto sandbagging
<zid>
kinda cringe sc2 story: I tanked my account to low bronze once
<zid>
then got back to plat with.. probe rush as random
<mjg>
sc2 is the gmae i had in mind here :d
<zid>
I got my portraits yo!
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<mjg>
sc2 == shite tho
<zid>
launch was great fun
<zid>
I fell off it after the meta matured a little
<mjg>
it greatly showcases people taking shortcuts to mediocrity
<zid>
blizzard thought the route to balance was adjusting bunker build times (literally 5 patches in a row, only change)
<zid>
and protoss had significant design issues
<mjg>
T masterrace
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<zid>
where it was completely unable to respond to a mid-tier terran player doing drops, because it had to death ball to have a functional army
<mjg>
P is a bunch people who make gaydars go brrrr
<zid>
concussive shot marauders just ate protoss ground units without a very good army comp
<zid>
and zerg was just bane busting every game in any matchup
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<zid>
pvp was the only good match-up, who could do the better 4-gate :P
<mjg>
i think plat is still the level where storm gets T completely shafted, provided it lands
<mjg>
on the other hand P gets shafted if it does not
<zid>
I was master
<zid>
before they added gm
<zid>
I had like 10% winrate vs terran, 90% winrate pvp, 50/50 zerg :p
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<mjg>
that's in wol only?
<zid>
yea, I wasn't really playing much by the time they added gm
<mjg>
arguably that shite was imbalanced even by sc2 standards
<zid>
and all the live matches were going pay to watch
<zid>
and twitch was turning into a hellscape
<zid>
so I just kinda fell off the game
<mjg>
at that time people were sniping banes with ghosts
<mjg>
that was funny
<zid>
I had a lot of fun playing ladder while learning the game, and pissing around in customs though
<mjg>
personally i was negatively surprised how bad broodwar players were at the fucking game
<mjg>
i get that you don't have the kinks figured out 'n shit
<mjg>
but turns outp eople kept fucking up basic mechanics like injects
<mjg>
even though broodwar is more demanding in that regar
<mjg>
d
<mjg>
i guess they were not that good at keeping up with requirements in that game either
<mjg>
note i don't mean top koreans :p
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<mjg>
i think the worst time to play is towards the end of life of an expansion
<mjg>
anyone remotely good switches to beta of the new one
<mjg>
and remaining twats try to cheese each other out to get a higher rank than thier usual
<mjg>
good thing is that there are no new expansions to sc2, so there is that :p
<zid>
the campaigns disappointed me in the two sequels
<zid>
WoL camapign on brutal was hard, you had to figure out how to win, learn when the events would happen and prep for them etc
<zid>
I beat every mission on brutal on the zerg campaign first try
<zid>
and I suck at zerg
<zid>
I'm not even sure I could beat the WoL campaign anymore, I'm not sure I could fail the zerg one :P
<zid>
I reinstalled sc2 like 6 months ago to try it out, god it was weird, felt like playing with someone else's hands
<zid>
I knew what I wanted to do, but I had 150 apm less to do it with
<bslsk05>
github.com: project: update toolchain and CI script · mcroddev/samething@0336cca · GitHub
<mcrod>
IT WORKED
<mcrod>
GOD
<bl4ckb0ne>
gz
<mcrod>
wait, uh, what?
<mcrod>
why did it generate a .zip
<heat>
congrats
<heat>
it always zips whatever your upload as an artifact
<mcrod>
...you're kidding me
<heat>
my toolchains are a .tar.zst that is then .zip'd
<mcrod>
so it just zipped a tarball
<heat>
yep
<heat>
cumpresion
<mcrod>
fucking stupid
<mcrod>
what's even slightly more stupid is I was hoping to write a `fetch_toolchain.sh` script that would grab the latest toolchain or some version for you
<mcrod>
except there doesn't seem to be an obvious pattern to the artifact URLs
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<heat_>
mcrod, yep, i think you need to use the actual github api to do that
<heat_>
this is why i haven't written a fetch_toolchain myself
<mcrod>
god bless
<zid>
bod gless?
<zid>
Whose bod are we glessing, is it mine
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<mcrod>
no
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<mcrod>
CMake never ceases to amaze me
<mcrod>
CMake Error at cmake/toolchain/unix.cmake:26 (message):
<mcrod>
does not exist.
<mcrod>
The toolchain path /home/mcrod/Projects/samething/toolchains/unix/assets/
<mcrod>
cmake is used all over the fucking place and yet, _yet_, it cannot find a directory that clearly exists
<mcrod>
watch, it'll be something stupid too.
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<heat_>
how about you enjoy a dick
<mcrod>
no
<heat_>
i see, we're at an impasse
<mjg>
you need to work on your game heat_
<heat_>
im writing an os, not a game
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<mcrod>
well, what's nice is
<mcrod>
I can write `cmake --preset LLVMQtDebug` and it just works
<mcrod>
which, great, that's what I wanted
<bl4ckb0ne>
switch to meson
<bl4ckb0ne>
cmake is a sinking ship
<mcrod>
no
<heat_>
cmake is the titanic
<heat_>
literally
<heat_>
made in the early 1900s
<bl4ckb0ne>
^
<bl4ckb0ne>
meson is the iceberg
<heat_>
no the iceberg is BSD MAKE BAYBEH
<heat_>
mjg, bmake best!!!!!!!111!!!!!1!!!!!1
<heat_>
gnu make? more like gnoob makeshit haha
<bl4ckb0ne>
you're the iceberg
<zid>
does cmake have a sister ship
<kof123>
some video said larry bird talked more trash than anyone
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<gog>
hi
<heat_>
hello kareem abdul-jabgog
<bl4ckb0ne>
cmake has a daddyship
<zid>
I hav chimken
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<mjg>
bmake fasterest
<mjg>
at high -j
<zid>
faster, or uses less cpu
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<mjg>
sarcasticen
<mjg>
perf goes to shit
<mjg>
due to idiotic pipe usage
<mjg>
including on linux
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<heat_>
oh, TIL: the standard FDs (in, out, err) are all opened RDWR
<heat_>
like, std*in* is RDWR
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<heat_>
mjg, can you check if this is deh case in freebsd?
<mjg>
in out and err is the same udnerlying file pointer
<mjg>
shells make it so
<mjg>
so ye stdin is in fact writable
<heat_>
my shell (dash) does not
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<heat_>
i had to adjust things in my getty
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<nikolar>
heat_ what does writing to stdin even do
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<gog>
mewo emow
<zid>
emo cats say emow
<gog>
i'm an emo cat
* nikolar
gogs pet
<bl4ckb0ne>
whats your emo return code
<bl4ckb0ne>
ENOHOPE?
<zid>
ENOFUTURE
<zid>
ETHEFUTUREHASNOTBEENWRITTENTHEREISNOFATEBUTWHATWEMAKEFOROURSELVES is slightly too long
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<bnchs>
bl4ckb0ne: ESUICIDE
<bl4ckb0ne>
grim
<bnchs>
Program ran to a dead end
<bnchs>
and chose to do the last resort
<zid>
Rollercoasters are hard of hearing need you to scream if you want to go faster
<mjg>
EUROPE
<mjg>
's that
<zid>
The band?
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<gog>
hi
* geist
his
<geist>
hi's
<geist>
hi(s). hrm
* morgan
highs
<geist>
hi-s
<mcrod>
hi
<mcrod>
gog want a fish
* gog
hers
<gog>
i'm eating pizza
<morgan>
im drinking coffee
<zid>
gib pizza
<zid>
gog never orders me pizza :(
<gog>
this is homemade pizza
<zid>
it'd be cold if you mailed it to me
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<gog>
what if i email you the pizza
<bl4ckb0ne>
does your pizza lacks pineapple
<zid>
The answer to that is always no btw
<zid>
In either case
<bl4ckb0ne>
you're dead wrong
<zid>
in what way
<zid>
people who don't like it wouldn't have any, thus it would not be lacking. people who order it with pineapple would have it, thus it would not lack it
<bl4ckb0ne>
pizza always lack pineapple
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<zid>
see above comment
<bl4ckb0ne>
i refuse
<sakasama>
Costco doesn't sell pizza with pineapple though, and the other stores don't have a time masheen. :(
<zid>
if you want novelty pizza you have to add it yourself, unsurprisingly
<bslsk05>
Note by Linus Torvalds: "@morgthorak I think you might want to make sure you don’t follow me.  Because your “woke communist propaganda” comment makes me think you’re a moron of the first order.  I str[…]"
<heat>
linus torvalds is so fucking based
<morgan>
legend
<gog>
it's shocking how many people have brainworms
<mcrod>
i'm truly convinced part of the ills of the world is the lead
<mcrod>
there is the lead hypothesis, and it's not really much of a hypothesis; criminal activity in an area dropped 50% once leaded gasoline was phased out in that particular area
<gog>
it's a strong correlation
<gog>
and very little else explains the change
<heat>
the l in linux stands for lead
<gog>
there is also the growth of mass incarceration
<gog>
but i'm psure that was factored for
<morgan>
tbh i hope the lead hypothesis is correct because it means all this crap will be a temporary proble
<morgan>
m
<gog>
too big of a variable to miss
<mcrod>
i'm convinced most of the boomers who are downright crazy are in some ways victims of lead, which is sad
<kazinsal>
it's sad but they're also extremely dangerous and the rate of construction of padded rooms has declined significantly in the past forty years
<gog>
i spent the first years of my life in a house clad in lead paint that was chipping that i remember idly peeling when i was very little
<gog>
i am also fucked up mentally
<gog>
maybe those are connected
<mcrod>
the problem is most of these people would pass a legal sanity check
<gog>
the house was an absolute dump and was torn town not long after we moved away