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<testuser[m]123>
Hi
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<sewn>
Hi
<sewn>
<snood> "probably will start over.. don't..." <- why would you want to have usr home var on seperate partitions?
<niceguy5000[m]>
wael: because it's for security and cooooooooooool!
<sewn>
No
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<Ellowee[m]>
Security of what
<Ellowee[m]>
I only do separate home, anything else would req a filesystem that can have 2+ partitions allocating same space
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<midfavila>
problem with separate /usr /home /var /etc /whatever is that you can't always accurately gauge how much space each will require
<sewn>
Btrfs subvolumes
<illiliti>
zfs
<sewn>
LVM
<illiliti>
it sucks
<midfavila>
sane partitioning
<midfavila>
also, xfs for performance, nilfs for reliability
<midfavila>
zfs can fuck off
<illiliti>
zfs is very reliable
<illiliti>
never had data corruption
<midfavila>
zfs is also fuckhuge
<midfavila>
and taints your kernel
<sewn>
Jgskczksgktekfsigkwtktsksgkgdkgskgskvzkxvksgigei z
<illiliti>
taints in what sense? i don't have this cryptic message in dmesg
<schillingklaus>
i do not want any cow, be it btrfs or zfs or whatever
<illiliti>
zfs is huge i agree
<midfavila>
needs an out of tree module
<illiliti>
nope
<illiliti>
i have zfs builtin
<midfavila>
does it not? i thought it was non-GPLv2 compatible
<illiliti>
it builds fine as builtin module
<illiliti>
i use it
<midfavila>
also, fuck, i really hope i can get today off work. i have some sort of head cold
<midfavila>
and it's not about whether you can build it into your kernel
<midfavila>
it's about whether it's in upstream and it's gone through the usual process
<midfavila>
and whether or not it's gplv2
<illiliti>
that's unresolvable problem unfortunately
<testuser[m]123>
illiliti: what advantages does zfs have over btrfs?
<illiliti>
encryption
<illiliti>
that is faster than luks/lvm
<midfavila>
>muh encryption speed
<testuser[m]123>
O
<midfavila>
gfdi
<midfavila>
can't get work off
<midfavila>
hate being a wagie
<midfavila>
this is bullshit
<midfavila>
"hey i'm sick"
<midfavila>
"you need to come in anyways"
<testuser[m]123>
What if you take an off anyways
<midfavila>
then i get fired
<schillingklaus>
what if you contaminate the boss?
* midfavila
shrugs!
<midfavila>
that's like, above my pay grade, maaaaaaaaaaaan
<midfavila>
all i can do is mix drinks dude
<midfavila>
anyway i doubt i'm contagious
<midfavila>
i just feel like death
<sewn>
🐈
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<midfavila>
well, i'm off to "contribute" to "society"
<sewn>
What a great man you are mid
<sewn>
We at Society™ thank you for your revolutionary contributions
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<Ellowee[m]>
<midfavila> "well, i'm off to "contribute" to..." <- Spirits beats inane ideological discombobulation and ego death
<Ellowee[m]>
Wait can lvm allocate same space for two partitions
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<midfavila>
Ellowee[m]: it's not even that kind
<midfavila>
i just make smoothies
<midfavila>
also i'm back
<sewn>
fr?
<midfavila>
frfr no cap
<Ellowee[m]>
<midfavila> "i just make smoothies" <- Still
<midfavila>
unironically bold of you to imply that wageslavery doesn't cause ideological discombobulation and ego death
<midfavila>
honestly considering quitting
<sewn>
Can I have ur smoothies
<sewn>
Do you maka banana milkshake?nmn?m!n?!!?mmm
<midfavila>
if you don't make me say "have a boosterific day" like my manager does, sure
<sewn>
have a mid day
<midfavila>
"have a day"
<sewn>
have
<midfavila>
hh
<midfavila>
should try designing a machine to automatically blend smoothies
<midfavila>
like a classic vending machine or something
<midfavila>
plenty of space in those things
<sewn>
nooo I want my smoothies made by a person not some souless machine smh
<midfavila>
i don't want to be made to *act* like a soulless machine
<sewn>
then make the actions soul(ful)
<sewn>
like not some corporate shit
<sewn>
ig
<midfavila>
if only it was that easy
<sewn>
I hate capitalism
<midfavila>
it's not capitalism as a whole that's the problem here, specifically
<midfavila>
at least under "traditional" capitalism the so-called proletariat had job security
<midfavila>
under... whatever this is, you don't even have that, if you're a wageslave
<midfavila>
there's even a term for the class of part-timers and gig workers now - "precariat", from "precarious" and "proletariat"
<midfavila>
now you get to be degraded and treated like shit while cranking widgets, without even having the assurance that you'll at least be able to crank widgets again tomorrow
<sewn>
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
<midfavila>
it's okay wael, by the time you're of widget-cranking age the world will have been hit by a massive solar flare
<midfavila>
that or the global economy will have collapsed
<midfavila>
it's always hilarious when i meet "communists" who live in like, california or whatever
<midfavila>
involved in the silicon valley style of economy
<sewn>
I want to stay young forever smh
<midfavila>
and they like... almost exclusively get through their days by relying on wageslaves
<midfavila>
and gig workers
<rohan>
yo anyone here is a owner or have access to community repo?
<midfavila>
and then they have the gall to say "yes comrade I support the Working Class:tm:", while thinking that they're part of the proletariat making 30k+ a year
<rohan>
my package is 4 days in pull request and nothing be done
<midfavila>
i intend to still work on KISS and eventually return to it full time with a proper hard fork of my own, but right now I'm not well, mentally, and can't spare the energy
<midfavila>
in short, I want an OS that works for me, not a me that works for my OS, at least right now
<drez>
=(
<drez>
oh man it is tough to deal with that argument becoming true
<drez>
"I just want something that works"
<midfavila>
it's not about "just wanting something that works"
<midfavila>
i actually like fiddling around with stuff
<midfavila>
my idea of a good time is like
<midfavila>
benchmarking my system with different zlib implementations
<drez>
but having to port/patch a lot of stuff is probably not good
<midfavila>
it's not even that
<midfavila>
i maintain my own soft fork of KISS
<midfavila>
just keeping stuff up to date in the base system is a pain
<midfavila>
and then add on top of that, say, coming home from work to watch a movie or play a game, only to be hit with a big segfault that i need to spend the afternoon debugging instead
<midfavila>
and then having to experience that day in day out
<midfavila>
but yeah slackware is my equivalent to most people's debian
<midfavila>
It Just Werks:tm:
<drez>
it doe sjust werk
<drez>
i am using devuan right now
<drez>
its not very good
<midfavila>
slack is honestly the only distro that just works
<midfavila>
this isn't even an opinion
<midfavila>
this is fact
<drez>
but I know if I try something else I am going to get punched in the balls
<midfavila>
slackware just coomputes
<drez>
maybe I should finally give slackware a try now
<drez>
but it sucks now
<drez>
they got rid of ck2
<drez>
and etc etc
<midfavila>
"ck2"? a dev?
<midfavila>
oh, no, consolekit
<drez>
consolekit2
<drez>
now it has elogind
<drez>
and like I think wayland too
<drez>
I don't want that stuff
<midfavila>
and rust too
<midfavila>
le gasp
<drez>
yeah
<illiliti>
finally mid got a life
<drez>
at least if you turn off auto-install-recommends in debian you can avoid a bunch of stuff
<midfavila>
illiliti: bold statement
<midfavila>
also not true
<midfavila>
i'm still going to fiddle with KISS regularly in a chroot
<midfavila>
and i do intend to return to it full time once my fork hits 1.0
<midfavila>
i just want muh games and to be able to make VoIP calls with my friends
<drez>
you cant do that on kiss?
<midfavila>
not without pulseaudio
<midfavila>
or some janky setup
<drez>
what???
<drez>
i use jackaudio
<midfavila>
plus firefox or a similar browser
<drez>
and can play any game
<drez>
well steam didn't work for some reason
<midfavila>
probably because kiss is based on musl
<drez>
oh right
<midfavila>
and steam is distributed linked against glibc
<drez>
if you want to play games do not use musl
<midfavila>
most of the games i play are libre
<drez>
still might have problems
<drez>
and i do have wine installed
<drez>
but i don't use it much
<midfavila>
but sometimes i want to play X-COM or RimWorld
<midfavila>
and no, not unless they're built on some retarded stack
<drez>
haha cool
<midfavila>
but yeah no once i have CS and C programming skills equivalent to my ability in shell and general computer use i won't be able to daily my fork
<midfavila>
because i just don't have the software necessary for me to do what i need to do
<midfavila>
and i'm too incompetent to write it myself
<midfavila>
s/once/until/
<midfavila>
fuck
<drez>
that is screwed up
<drez>
in a sad way
<midfavila>
lmao
<drez>
yeah it really sucks
<drez>
that software sucks so much nowadays
<midfavila>
MGR port for KISS soon
<drez>
well just about anything sucks
<drez>
oh yeah
<drez>
looking forward to that
<midfavila>
and by soon I mean like maybe five years :v
<drez>
you did get super far with your kiss setup
<drez>
love how you got xaw looking all pretty
<midfavila>
well, see, with 0.3 my fork is capable of most basic tasks
<midfavila>
it's just not fully self-hosting, and it lacks an HTTPS browser
<drez>
oof
<drez>
those two get sorted out and i would run it on a laptop
<midfavila>
it's not self-hosting because it can't build the kernel (a given) nor its headers (a given), nor can it build everything that you might expect to find under base
<midfavila>
that being a media player and an HTTPS browser
<drez>
does ffmpeg not build either?
<midfavila>
lmao not even close
<drez>
mplayer?
<midfavila>
it's hilarious that you think tcc can build any of that my dude
<drez>
ocp?
<drez>
idk
<drez>
I thought tcc was ok
<drez>
maybe it can build ocp
<drez>
opencubicplayer
<midfavila>
not to mention the lack of GNU tools requires massive patching to makefiles and such
<drez>
oh yeah
<midfavila>
it's been harder to replace GNU Make than GCC
<drez>
oh dude weak
<midfavila>
trying to learn Make, C, Bourne, m4, awk, POSIX, X11, mathematics, lex and yacc, and so on is just too much to juggle with other stuff right now
<drez>
while also working <_<
<drez>
you know what they say about working and studying simultaneously
<midfavila>
no, i don't, actually
<drez>
oh okay
<drez>
I thought you finally had a job
<midfavila>
i do
<midfavila>
but i don't know what "they" say
<drez>
ah okay
<drez>
well people say it's pretty tough
<drez>
but I think that's about the default for most of us here
<drez>
not the toughness
<drez>
but doing that
<midfavila>
honestly if i wasn't dealing with a bunch of mental health issues it would be trivial
<midfavila>
but as it stands i'm about two steps away from becoming the next terry davis
<drez>
wait are you getting bullied by voices?
<midfavila>
only my own :D
<drez>
that is pretty close
<midfavila>
i also have fuck-all in terms of energy or motivation right now
<drez>
well, meds never held anyone together for too long
<drez>
that is a fact of life
<drez>
just in case
<drez>
idk if you are taking meds
<midfavila>
nah
<drez>
well good
<drez>
just in case
<drez>
you know people are going to say take meds and such
<drez>
that is a pretty harmful thing to say
<midfavila>
i've only taken prescription medication once in my life and i wasn't a fan of it, but that was because it was issued for a maldiagnosis :v
<drez>
oof
<drez>
well most meds do not merit them being taken
<drez>
they are just a copout
<midfavila>
who could have guessed that issuing antipsyhotics to a depressed person was a bad idea
<midfavila>
and i mean, that's not necessarily true
<midfavila>
antipsychotics even christ
<drez>
that is weak
<drez>
i can't imagine being under the effects of one of those things
<midfavila>
neither can i!
<midfavila>
i literally can't remember that period of my life
<drez>
O_O
<midfavila>
it *also* kicked off a bunch of physical health issues as a result of the medication's side effects, which I'm *still* trying to get under control. and hey, look ma, no doctor
<drez>
nooo :(
<midfavila>
should have added "trawling pubmed and scihub for relevant papers" to my list
<drez>
im trying to get into reading health books
<drez>
and some stuff about well, not mental health necessarily
<drez>
but maybe more fringe than that
<midfavila>
i've been considering picking up a book on anatomy and learning more about first aid and basic medicine
<drez>
i would definitely like to actually learn first aid
<drez>
and try to get the hang of what they say in those survival infographics
<midfavila>
>inb4 drez is studying the effects of 432hz on cancelling the damage to cells caused by 5G cell frequencies
<drez>
no nothing like that
<midfavila>
kek
<drez>
idk anything about the 432hz stuff
<drez>
but I mean I would like less EM exposure for sure
<drez>
just cause its not normal
<midfavila>
i think that "EM" is too broad, but specific things like artificial light and such definitely need to be more strictly controlled, for a variety of reasons
<drez>
em is pretty broad true
<drez>
it does involve visible light haha
<midfavila>
you have to go like 10km outside of my city to even start seeing the stars for example
<drez>
true
<midfavila>
light pollution is a huge problem
<drez>
that is very true
<drez>
well the only real problem with light pollution AFAIK is astronomy is harder
<midfavila>
no, there are a *huge* number of issues associated with it
<drez>
tell me more
<midfavila>
it disrupts the circadian rhythm of animals, including humans
<drez>
oh of course
<drez>
that is artificial light in general
<drez>
darn you edison
<midfavila>
and you *know* that the second stuff starts fucking with the ecosystem things are going to get bad. i'm not well-informed enough to provide any more information, but it's something i've been meaning to look into as well
<drez>
yeah disbalance of nature and all
<midfavila>
i used to be a half decent astronomer. decent enough to navigate without a compass at night at least
<midfavila>
that was one of my "things" as a smol
<drez>
awesome... I never had the chance to get into it
<drez>
since I have rarely had the chance to see any stars really
<drez>
you have to be completely away from other people at this point
<midfavila>
might end up reaching that point depending on how the next few months go honestly
<drez>
totally want to learn astronomy myself
<midfavila>
need be i'll fucking *walk* to get the hell out of this place
<drez>
that is something I might want to do as well
<midfavila>
don't care if it's 1000km
<drez>
well people walk alright
<midfavila>
i meant "walk across canada"
<midfavila>
or at least to a province that isn't shit
<drez>
how bad could it be?
<midfavila>
oh huh go figure
<midfavila>
it's ~1000km from my city to ottawa
<drez>
hmmmm
<drez>
i was thinking about what distro to use on a laptop
<midfavila>
lmao what
<drez>
i need it ready this week
<midfavila>
google says it would only take 3 days by bike and 9 by foot
<drez>
that might be true
<midfavila>
no way. that *has* to include sections by vehicle
<drez>
well if you were a mega athlete you could do this
<midfavila>
also unrelated but the phoenix wright x professor layton crossover has an *incredible* OST
<drez>
videogame osts :)
<midfavila>
i only played part of the first one but i really like the ace attorney games
<midfavila>
deduction games are <3
<niceguy5000[m]>
midfavila: I heard you're leaving us. ;v;
<midfavila>
when i was younger i used to play games of werewolf ~150 players wide pretty often
<midfavila>
and i'll still be kicking around the IRC. but yeah either tonight or tomorrow i'll be backing up my boot disk and overwriting KISS with slackware