00:00 <yang> Tonymac32, I am leaving as it is, going to continue messing with it another time

00:01 <yang> If I use "armbian-install" it will probably force Jammy over the SD card and that could ruin current setup

02:13 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <narga_64> Speaking of U-Boot, I saw that some devices, like the Nanopi-R5, a newer uboot version (2023-10) is used instead of the ancient 2017-09 one. Does this give any improvements having the latest version?

02:13 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <narga_64> Or is it like - if it boots, version does not matter since after boot, Linux handles everything by itself anyway?

02:13 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <narga_64> I'm just trying to understand uboot 😄

02:16 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <narga_64> Speaking of U-Boot, I saw that some Friendlyelec Rockchip devices, like the Nanopi-R5, use a newer uboot version (2023-10) instead of the ancient 2017-09 one that some other Nanopis use. Does this give any improvements having the latest version?

02:17 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <narga_64> Or is it like - if it boots, version does not matter since after boot, Linux handles everything by itself anyway?

02:17 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <narga_64> I'm just trying to understand uboot 😄

04:26 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <Tonymac32> Rockchip U-boot is a dinosaur, most if not all should use mainline, but that's up to the inidvidual maintainer. A board vendor is almost certainly going to use whatever dumpster fire the SoC vendor gives them.

09:20 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <tseplnk> can I install armbian desktop for Orange pi one>

09:20 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <tseplnk> can I install armbian desktop for Orange pi one?

09:23 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <tseplnk> lite*

09:26 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <tseplnk> with wi-fi.

09:36 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <tseplnk> or how do i download raspbian on orange pi lite?

11:05 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <narga_64> So it's always best to use the latest U-Boot version if at all possible?

11:34 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <Tonymac32> When dealing with mostly mainlined hardware, yes.

13:04 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <TuxTheArchUser> Uhhh

13:04 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <TuxTheArchUser> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/857944478269702214/1206586610351743016/image.png?ex=65dc8c59&is=65ca1759&hm=289fa4556c15ecec1c6e7fe12f6dde442d627c8dcf64a3c24f5332b51a55083b&

13:04 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <TuxTheArchUser> What happened to "Minimal CLI"?

13:29 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <igorpec> If you wanna change, PR here https://github.com/armbian/os/blob/main/userpatches/targets-release-community-maintained.template

13:33 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <TuxTheArchUser> I don't have Github account.

13:33 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <TuxTheArchUser> I avoid using any Microsoft products.

13:34 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <TuxTheArchUser> And it'll take years for them to accept my PR anyways.

13:34 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <TuxTheArchUser> I just want a prebuilt image for my SBC...

13:35 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <Tonymac32> I love free things too, but sometimes I have to do a litle work for it. If you can't stomach a github account I'm afraid there's no other way for you to contribute, and since there isn't even the slightest hint what board this is, even if someone else who's willing to "compromise their values" would want to help out, they can't

13:36 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <TuxTheArchUser> Orange Pi PC...

13:36 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <TuxTheArchUser> It had minimal CLI build...

13:36 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <TuxTheArchUser> Now almost all builds are missing...

13:37 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <Tonymac32> I can't comment on support of anything OPi, but build targets change, I think there was a discussion about the minimal builds still being super fat

13:37 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <Tonymac32> But I might be misremembering

13:37 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <TuxTheArchUser> At least minimal build had no annoying Espaniol installer...

13:37 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <TuxTheArchUser> I don't speak Spanish...

13:37 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <Tonymac32> ... what?

13:38 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <TuxTheArchUser> But it still changes my language to Spanish when I select US as my region...

13:38 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <Tonymac32> I've never seen anything Spanish in the installer 😄

13:38 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <Tonymac32> and I select US

13:38 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <TuxTheArchUser> Weird...

13:38 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <Tonymac32> did you select "en_us" or (es_us"

13:38 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <Tonymac32> did you select "en_us" or "es_us"

13:38 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <TuxTheArchUser> en_US if I'm not wrong

13:38 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <Tonymac32> en would give english, es spanish

13:39 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <TuxTheArchUser> Alsoo, is it possible to install Armbian without Ethernet? I have only RTL8192EU WiFi adapter

13:39 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <TuxTheArchUser> And kernel module for it is not built-in...

13:39 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <Tonymac32> that would take a device tree change at minimum

13:39 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <TuxTheArchUser> Oh...

13:40 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <Tonymac32> ah, well, it would take drivers, I misunderstood the question

13:40 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <igorpec> anything is possible, but nobody will be making custom OS for you

13:40 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <Tonymac32> you don't need network to install

13:40 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <igorpec> we made tools so you can DIY

13:40 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <TuxTheArchUser> I can't DIY on a laptop with broken keyboard and throttling CPU...

13:40 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <TuxTheArchUser> 400MHz...

13:40 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <igorpec> so i will waste my afternoon to help you? is that acceptable solution ?: )

13:41 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <Tonymac32> well, it would just take a really long time 🙂

13:41 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <TuxTheArchUser> If you want...

13:41 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <igorpec> no i don't 😉

13:41 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <TuxTheArchUser> What if this laptop can put my entire house on fire?

13:41 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <igorpec> OMG

13:41 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <Tonymac32> that's your risk to take, you shouldn't even have it in that case

13:41 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <TuxTheArchUser> Especially the charger without any isolation and protection

13:42 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <Tonymac32> You having a fire hazard for a laptop isn't my problem 😄

13:42 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <TuxTheArchUser> What am I supposed to use if I can't even use my SBC?

13:42 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <igorpec> use cli image

13:43 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <TuxTheArchUser> How to connect it to internet?

13:43 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <TuxTheArchUser> RTL8192EU kernel module is missing

13:43 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <TuxTheArchUser> Also

13:44 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <TuxTheArchUser> Why are our conversations publicly visible on Google?

13:44 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <Tonymac32> get a different adapter. This isn't a PC or a Mac, the drivers are hit or miss everywhere, you have to get hardware that fits the drivers, and you need to have reasonable expectations

13:44 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <TuxTheArchUser> People tried to doxx me recently.

13:44 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <igorpec> which conversation? This channel?

13:44 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <Tonymac32> IRC logs I would guess?

13:44 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <TuxTheArchUser> They googled my username and the first thing they saw is website with all logs from IRC channel that mirrors this Discord channel

13:44 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <TuxTheArchUser> Yeah

13:44 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <igorpec> aha, yeah, logs are public

13:45 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <igorpec> dunno how to tell google not to index it

13:45 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <TuxTheArchUser> robots.txt

13:46 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <TuxTheArchUser> https://developers.google.com/search/docs/crawling-indexing/block-indexing

13:46 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <Tonymac32> so how did they try to doxx you if they already knew your user name and the log has no personal information in it? Unless you put your home address in a discord chat?

13:46 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <TuxTheArchUser> I still don't want them to know what hardware do I know, what else do I talk about and stuff...

13:47 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <TuxTheArchUser> That's something somewhat personal...

13:47 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <Tonymac32> This follows the rest of the issues, coming here is vountary for all of us

13:47 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <Tonymac32> so

13:47 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <Tonymac32> This follows the rest of the issues, coming here is voluntary for all of us

13:47 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <TuxTheArchUser> ``s/what hardware do I know/what hardware do I use``

13:47 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <TuxTheArchUser> My mouse being funny

13:51 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <TuxTheArchUser> Yeah, but still, I'm sure that not every person feels comfortable with their messages being indexed.

14:38 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <Werner> Logging feature is mentioned in the docs which are linked at the very beginning of the #welcome-and-rules channel.

14:38 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <Werner> In any case I added an explicit hint for this feature there as well.

14:52 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <TuxTheArchUser> Oh, okay

14:52 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <TuxTheArchUser> Man.

14:52 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <TuxTheArchUser> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/857944478269702214/1206613791857578025/IMG_20240212_215023.jpg?ex=65dca5a9&is=65ca30a9&hm=cc13acdd1b1535b7108e8ac7cec1c3b9fc27f0ddeb290336d84b457577647665&

14:52 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <TuxTheArchUser> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/857944478269702214/1206613832085020732/20240212_081548.jpg?ex=65dca5b3&is=65ca30b3&hm=a71b066ff49fd2392995766c3a9f2545a270503aeefdf97f61438771700baa36&

15:48 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <TuxTheArchUser> What's wrong with X11 on Armbian?

15:48 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <TuxTheArchUser> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/857944478269702214/1206627851600797746/IMG_20240212_224701.jpg?ex=65dcb2c1&is=65ca3dc1&hm=d2cf1627b611798eb41904bc88ebeb8ba0b0208dbe86c78896155cfee0295168&

15:57 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <TuxTheArchUser> How to change actual screen resolution?

15:57 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <TuxTheArchUser> I tried almost everything

15:58 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <TuxTheArchUser> Apparently it doesn't support 1440x900@75Hz

16:13 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <TuxTheArchUser> Why is Armbian like that?

16:13 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <TuxTheArchUser> Just why...

16:13 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <TuxTheArchUser> Even context menu is limited to that area...

16:14 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <TuxTheArchUser> Only 1/4 of my screen is usable...

16:22 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <TuxTheArchUser> Apparently it was because my SoC was so unique...

16:22 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <TuxTheArchUser> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/857944478269702214/1206636536150364160/IMG_20240212_232209.jpg?ex=65dcbad8&is=65ca45d8&hm=5d317f6031a0eb9a543c197f3784ba3b7ff96b349b470c67b20ec57fc7d56af3&

16:22 <DC-IRC> [Discord] <TuxTheArchUser> It was merged with 1 output...