cr1901 changed the topic of ##yamahasynths to: Channel dedicated to questions and discussion of Yamaha FM Synthesizer internals and corresponding REing. Discussion of synthesis methods similar to the Yamaha line of chips, Sound Blasters + clones, PCM chips like RF5C68, CD/floppy disk theory of operation, and the 68k CPU are also on-topic. Channel logs: https://libera.irclog.whitequark.org/~h~yamahasynths
<andlabs>
but yeah no I'm tired of the conspiracy theories
<andlabs>
mj's name will soon be scrubbed from the vgmrips pack once they figure out why changing tags breaks the files
<fseidel>
andlabs: wait, I didn't hear about the plagiarism, what's this about?
<andlabs>
so apparently the author of that 'hard times' song was not brad buxer but rather brad's guitarist
<andlabs>
who was a member of the band, but is not credited in sonic 3
<andlabs>
so either brad owns the rights to the songs or idk
<fseidel>
oh wild, so the rights are even more of a mess than I already thought they were...
<cr1901>
That might explain why when brad buxer was pressed on discussing hard times in early 2010s, he stopped talking to the ppl interviewing him
<cr1901>
and referred them to his publicist or something
<andlabs>
no I'm more willing to blame sonic fans being endlessly bothersome
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<cr1901>
Sonic fans being endlessly bothersome. Aka "A day that ends in 'y'".
<andlabs>
anyway my favorite of the replaced songs is the competition song
<andlabs>
and I'm not sure why it was replaced
<andlabs>
the replacement song doesn't sound particularly American or new jack swing-y
<andlabs>
and the replaced song is actually finished
<andlabs>
(and fits with the other competition songs, except Results)
<andlabs>
(Results... doesn't fit at all
<andlabs>
in fact hot take: the sonic 3 & knuckles soundtrack is entirely noncohesive when you think about it for more than a few seconds)
<andlabs>
(it's still realy good but)
<fseidel>
it's definitely all over the place, I'll give you that
<fseidel>
it doesn't really play with any themes/motifs/etc.
<fseidel>
it also has some of the worst PCM quality I can think of in a first-party title, lol
<andlabs>
you ahve not played outrunners
<andlabs>
or arguably ristar
<andlabs>
go "enjoy" those
<andlabs>
sega's programmers seemed to have hit their talent limit with the sonic 3 version of their standard sound driver, trying to make it mix two PCM channels made it go too far
<andlabs>
ristar is slightly better at least? and its drums hide the jank
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<fseidel>
oh, good point, I forgot about Ristar. Those voices... *shudders*
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<fseidel>
wow, that's eating into IRSSI's status bar...
<cr1901>
Alt text: Zalgo "Play with me?"
<andlabs>
(which is what ristar says on the title screen when you press start)
<cr1901>
I love Vapor Trail, but the voice samples on the Genesis version aren't great either
<cr1901>
(while everything else sound wise is basically superior to the arcade version)
<tunixman>
that really captures the sound there.
<fseidel>
IIRC the percussion samples in Vapor Trail are really clean, how strange...
<cr1901>
I meant the voice samples
<fseidel>
right, I meant it was weird that the voices sound like crap since the percussion is nice
<andlabs>
i might be the only person who prefers the arcade version's music but even then it can potentially be grating if you'r enot up for siren guitars