00:07 <LemanR> btw I found out why I went down the xwayland rabbit whole. For some reason my emacs-28 gui isn't working on river and I think I was told I'd still need xwayland.

00:07 <leon-p> LemanR: isn't there a pure gtk branch that has full wayland support?

00:08 <LemanR> yeah but I'm just being confused if that pkg version is supported by the team that develop emacs. I'm weary of just trusting random third parties & forks

00:09 <leon-p> pretty sure its in the official upstream master branch

00:10 <LemanR> I'll see if I can find that page that was confusing to me, unless you mean just building it following the instructions on https://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/

00:11 <tleydxdy[m]> ye pgtk is merged just not in a release yet I think

00:13 <LemanR> So we'll see it in 28.5 or 29 or whatever they decide? So like technically a fork but already decided to be merged, just hasn't been the right time so the fork, in a sense, has emacs team approval? (otherwise why would they plan to put it in a release)

00:14 <LemanR> sorry I get the jargon messed up, not a professional dev or anything.

00:15 <leon-p> not a fork, it's a patch that has already been merged into the master branch. That can only be done by official maintainers, so you can assume maintainer-approval automatically for everything in the official git repo

00:16 <LemanR> I just have to manually build it until the changes make it into a release (in my case makes it into gentoo repo).

00:16 <leon-p> yes

00:17 <LemanR> I swear, one day I might just switch to Slackware to quit my reliance on repos and force myself to actually build things. Might be my 'next step' in linux journey.

00:18 <leon-p> eh, relying on tools that make your life easier isn't a bad thing

00:19 <plumeus> My preferred "next step" would be getting atomic and transactional upgrades.

00:20 <LemanR> sure but it mask a lot of the behind the scenes. I mainly use whatever is going to teach me the most. I'd probably use Fedora if I was a CS major and got my learning from more formal means but I had to go Neuro :p (at this point I wish I had done major in CS and minor in Neuro but oh well)

00:20 <leon-p> a declarative read-only root would be kinda nice, but none of the available options are all that great

00:20 <plumeus> Fedora Silverblue? I never tried it.

00:21 <plumeus> Guix has a read-only store and it seems well designed, but I hear their mailinglist process is slow and many packages I want are outdated.

00:21 <LemanR> not Silverblue. They say auto updates are user-decided but Windows played that same game and everyone was forced to start auto-updating

00:21 <plumeus> I feel like I'm just stuck on NixOS for the time being.

00:23 <LemanR> plumeus getting atomic and transactional upgrades as opposed to what? I've neglected learning about package management on a deeper level because repos make life too easy lol I have built a few trivial things manually

00:23 <leon-p> LemanR: depending on the university, a studying CS might not have really given you all that much Linux knowledge. All my extra/profiling credits are from CS courses and honestly they didn't really teach me anything relevant to the dev stuff I actually do

00:25 <plumeus> Atomic and transactional upgrades as opposed to nothing. Also, Nix/Guix is a declarative, source-based package manager.

00:25 <plumeus> If you want your life to be slightly tedious, you can get all the functionality by just writing all the expressions yourself

00:26 <plumeus> at least it provides a far better ways to diagnose for potential errors in your setup.

00:29 <LemanR> well I better get going on emacs build. I'm making a github.io page to and show off projects and stuff to motivate me to learn Common-Lisp deeply (common-lisp because I just love the language)

01:12 <plumeus> Is the thing on the top of Firefox showing "<Page name> -- Mozilla Firefox" supposed to be the client side decoration?

01:12 <plumeus> I was wondering because doing `riverctl csd-filter-add app-id "firefox"` did seemingly nothing

01:13 <plumeus> Or maybe CSD is something different

01:24 <leon-p> plumeus: gtk doesn't support the protocol river uses to communicate CSD vs SSD preferences.

01:25 <plumeus> huh

01:25 <plumeus> So, my approach was technically correct?

01:27 <leon-p> by default, river tries to tell applications to use SSD, the csd-filter makes river tell them to use CSD.

12:43 <NikhilSingh[m]1> is it possible to resize window vertically and horizontally while being in tiling state?

12:45 <tiosgz> if you mean to move the tiling border (resize all, not just one view), then only if the layout generator exposes a corresponding command

12:45 <tiosgz> (in which case you couldn't do it with the mouse, anyway)

12:51 <NikhilSingh[m]1> no i mean i use Super + H or Super + L to resize horizontally i want this same behaviour for vertical resizing.

12:52 <tiosgz> like if there are several master views, change the ratio between them?

12:53 <tiosgz> that still depends on the layout generator i believe

12:55 <tiosgz> (and nope, rivertile doesn't have that possibility)

12:55 <NikhilSingh[m]1> ohh will rivertile get that or have to get other layout generator?

12:56 <tiosgz> from what i understand, that's out of scope for rivertile

12:56 <tiosgz> but i don't think any layout generator (that i know of) would let you do that

12:57 <tiosgz> so you can go with modifying rivertile, for example

12:58 <NikhilSingh[m]1> any small wikki or documentation how can i extend rivertile?

13:00 <tiosgz> read its code, i'd say

13:00 <NikhilSingh[m]1> okay

13:00 <NikhilSingh[m]1> Moving window from one output to another while holding the super key in the mouse. (Don't know if it is possible in Wayland but was in Xorg so just asking if possible ) in this case, the window just snaps out from one output and goes to the next focused output by the mouse.

13:00 <NikhilSingh[m]1> is it possible?