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<Guest76> I'm trying to design a chess piece in openscad. The generated STL file comes out to around 10MB. Is that typical?
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<teepee> that's not unusual,
<teepee> 3MF should be more compact and generally better too if you can work with that
<Guest76> Thanks! The STL files I download from Thingiverse typically are less than a few hundred KBs, even complex objects. I tried reducing the fn, but it leads to curves that are not smooth. Hence was curious if STL files created by openscad are typically higher in size
<teepee> there are 2 type of STL too, binary and ascii, the release version of OpenSCAD always generates ASCII
<teepee> that's about 5 times the size of the same mesh in binary STL
<teepee> also if you have lots of small features in you model, using $fa = 2; $fs = 0.2; might be better than a large fixed $fn
<teepee> e.g. $fn splits a circle always into the same number of segments, regardless of diameter
<teepee> the other ones define angular and segment length resolution so it adapts to smaller object features
<Guest76> Gotcha. I'm new to the world of 3d modelling so this is really helpful! Appreciate the help
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<InPhase> teepee: I thought we had release defaulting to binary in the gui config.
<InPhase> I think that was done before the last release.
<teepee> oh, is it *that* old? ;-)
<InPhase> Each of that feature, the last release, and myself, can be described that way. ;)
<teepee> heh, now I feel ancient :)
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<teepee> but I could convince graphicsmagick to do what I want, so all good
<teepee> zooming in on the image just gives a broken detail view
<teepee> ah, there it is. slow CDN or something
<teepee> bah, cloudflare
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<teepee> J24k67: I have no motivation to watch :-(. anything interesting so far? looking through the plan yesterday did not have anything jump out
<J24k67> hacking the tonie boxes .. some climate stuff ..  something about demoscene is comming up .. but feels less interesting than the other years
<J24k67> oh ZPS and AFD was funny
<gbruno> [github] cjmayo opened pull request #4904 (Changes to allow building with Qt 6) https://github.com/openscad/openscad/pull/4904
<J24k67> how government BRD  take down a  deep fake video from YT because copyright .. couldn't prove their claim and it went up again as the gouvernement was acting against TOS of YT
<J24k67> teepee some topics seem interesting but are not streamed ..  only 3 streams didn't they had 5 3yr ago
<teepee> I think it was always 3 main tracks
<teepee> I think there were some additional ones but not full time, but I'm not 100% sure
<J24k67> there are some "external" streams   but the timetable shows about 15 stages that are not broadcasted
<teepee> yep, I know that one
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<teepee> what is wrong with people? https://www.printables.com/model/695257-cable-holder is so very unlikely the same person as https://www.thingiverse.com/nymjp/designs
<Scopeuk> Printables, offers a reward for downloads, as soon as you monitize or sudo monitize something people will try and find a way to exploit it
<Scopeuk> Dumping a handful of thingiverse prints from a catagory and stuffing them up on printables is fairly easy and even scriptable. Can't say I like it
<teepee> it's just annoying that like 50% of all the designs I looked up that are marked as CC0 are more or less stolen
<teepee> well, claiming wrong licenses
<teepee> in some cases it would be totally allowed to upload e.g. if the attribution would be there
<teepee> aha, nice
<teepee> https://www.printables.com/@Klimovicovi_1608491 *ALL* of the modesl claim ownership and CC0
<teepee> and it's *ALL* BS
<teepee> response via message: "Sorry but I don't know what you're talking about, because all model that I have on my profile is made by me and my cousin (We have this account together.)."
<teepee> yeah, right, they did the benchy
<J24k67> the license file states it is not his .. funny
<J24k67> printables will check if you try getting a prusameter voucher
<teepee> and about the cable clip on thingiverse, where it definitely says in the readme it's from there, the answer is: That's my friend, he stole my picture and the model
<teepee> wtf
<J24k67> often kids - i tell them they should be prepared that they will get trouble
<teepee> so that japanese person did steal that picture travelled back in time 18 days and uploaded to thingiverse :)
<teepee> so you get only prusameters with the "my own creation" I assume
<J24k67> Tips to avoid voucher request rejection:
<J24k67> Truely state the authorship of the models you upload.
<teepee> re-uploading would be totally fine by license, even the benchy with it's cc-nc
<linext_> i decided to copy/improve something called a "reseller ruler"
<J24k67> oh the apple hack presentation seems to be worth to watch
<linext_> instead of having a slot and bolt/nut, 3d print two tracks for each ruler
<gbruno> [github] cjmayo synchronize pull request #4904 (Changes to allow building with Qt 6) https://github.com/openscad/openscad/pull/4904
<teepee> uh, patent pending
<linext_> it'll be pending until it gets turned down
<teepee> hopefully, but my trust in any patent stuff is limited
<linext_> the device is actually called an adjustable T-square
<linext_> so i don't think they have any validity to patent something that's already done
<linext_> reseller ruler costs about $33 with shipping
<linext_> i bought two aluminum 40 inch rulers from harbor freight for $10
<linext_> i'll trim them and make a 3d printed track
<J24k67> probably too big to print in one piece
<linext_> only the track will be 3d printed
<linext_> it'll be in the center and small
<linext_> i'm not milling a slot into the ruler
<J24k67> with a screw to fasten the cross .. nice idea
<linext_> yea, but it's extra work
<linext_> if i can 3d print x-y tracks, one for each ruler, then it's way easier
<linext_> just slide them through the track
<J24k67> just take a flat can and make two channels for the ruler
<linext_> yea, pretty much
<InPhase> linext_: The patent might get accepted for a designated purpose on clothing. This because the patent system is pretty broken on the prior art areas.
<InPhase> linext_: But that also means the item itself is then not patented, but only marketing for a purpose.
<InPhase> The patent might also get approved in the general case from a patent examiner not even being aware of the existence of the thing, in which case the company ends up with an unenforceable patent.
<InPhase> The kind where they can hold onto it, as long as they don't try to take anybody to court over it.
<linext_> i'm not worried
<linext_> should be super easy to make in openscad
<linext_> i may even sell them
<linext_> the problem is the shipping is high if it's 24 inch long rulers
<linext_> so i was thinking of putting a hinge around 12 inches
<linext_> or maybe a double-track
<InPhase> Expanding?
<linext_> yea
<InPhase> Foldable rulers have a nice history of utility. It might be interesting to have a foldable ruler that can be locked into an L shape.
<InPhase> That doesn't give you the same T-measurement ability, but it would be a useful compact L angle, if it were rigid enough on that right angle. It might even be a pocket square at that point.
<t4nk_fn> teepee, those japanese will just about do anything to steal our designs :(
<t4nk_fn> :)
<teepee> yeah, time machine and all, crazy
<t4nk_fn> no conscience, that's what I think of it!
<InPhase> linext_: The most useful square design I've used though is this speed square type, with the lip at the edge: https://www.swansontoolco.com/product/speed-square/
<InPhase> linext_: Rather than going large, it might be interesting to try to think of a design for a foldable unit with those properties.
<InPhase> linext_: I usually don't find myself needing a huge square, but just an ease of getting a starting mark at a proper right angle from an edge. Getting a long straight line is rarely the hard part.
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<guso78k>  teepee, where are the key bindings defined ?(such as F5 and F6 ) ?
<teepee> normally in the actions in the UI files
<guso78k> (y)
<teepee> but for ESC handling it may need that eventfilter stuff
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<guso78k> took me quite some time to realize, who has the focus for the ESC stroke ...
<gbruno> [github] gsohler synchronize pull request #4813 (Adding interactive measurement abilities to OpenSCAD) https://github.com/openscad/openscad/pull/4813
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<teepee> Right, the editor might catch that before it reaches the MainWindow handler. GUI eventhandling is always strange
<guso78k> https://imgur.com/a/KtJtLPc  Easy  definition  of "handles" together with an object
<guso78k> these handles are of course also multmatrixed when the object itself is ...
<teepee> so for the measurement, there's probably tons of things that *could* be done, but it's maybe best to get started with what's there now :)
<guso78k> yeahh, want to capture my new "handles" graphically, next :')
<teepee> we can try what happens with bounty-source, but the message seems to be they are bankrupt so the money might be gone
<teepee> which is really bad as I don't know any alternative
<guso78k> teepee, yeah, i am aware, but my main goal is not the money but to go into people's memory ...
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<gbruno> [github] t-paul edited pull request #4813 (Adding interactive measurement abilities to OpenSCAD) https://github.com/openscad/openscad/pull/4813
<gbruno> [github] t-paul closed pull request #4813 (Adding interactive measurement abilities to OpenSCAD) https://github.com/openscad/openscad/pull/4813
<gbruno> [github] t-paul pushed 7 additions 17 modifications (Merge pull request #4813 from gsohler/measure Adding interactive measurement abilities to OpenSCAD.) https://github.com/openscad/openscad/commit/e2d9a1b2cf8be4c9da2f4d801f4ae7e396719f88
<gbruno> [github] t-paul closed issue #3638 (Provide a simple measurement tool [$805]) https://github.com/openscad/openscad/issues/3638
<teepee> ugh, even the website is down now, so I guess that's confirmation bountysource is really just gone having stolen all the money
<teepee> hmm, the mainpage is still there though
<teepee> no, looks like just some static front page with all links dead
<gbruno> [github] t-paul pushed 1 modifications (Fix SUFFIX for manually triggered builds. When running the pipeline via the V2 API, the BRANCH has to be given as pull/<number>/head or pull/<number>/merge which currently causes problems due to the suffix being used in the file names.) https://github.com/openscad/openscad/commit/6c865a27a52a3fbe1e43a9ae6127dfe476e7acc1
<gbruno> [github] t-paul opened pull request #4905 (CircleCI: Fix SUFFIX for manually triggered builds.) https://github.com/openscad/openscad/pull/4905
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