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<ns12>
Wrong place for this kind of spam ... Better to help 20 people in the OCaml job market.
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<oriba>
OCaml job market?
<ns12>
oriba: Is there such a thing?
<oriba>
don't know, you talked about it...
<ns12>
I don't know either 😆, but I hope that there is. I certainly wouldn't mind.
<oriba>
Haskell and Erlang seem to be much better regarding jobs
<ns12>
For ML family languages, it seems that there is only OCaml and F# that have jobs. Mostly in developed countries too.
<ns12>
I'm hoping the web programming situation will improve in OCaml... I am back to experimenting with Haskell because of its larger selection of actively maintained web programming libraries.
<oriba>
I started exploring Erlang some months ago for a while. I think I will go more in that direction. Nearly no OCaml jobs in my country.
<oriba>
Or: no at all. OCaml is only mentioned besides others.
<ns12>
oriba: What are you planning to build?
<oriba>
no special things in mind. But I should have tried Erlang long ago. There are Erlang jobs, and I was (positively) shocked, how much. Wheras OCaml it's a desert.
<oriba>
maybe experimenting with propagators and Erlang
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<vsiles>
A collegue pointed out the fact that the CIL package is limited to ocaml < 4.06. Is there an alternative that works with more recent ocaml ?
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<Drup>
which part of CIL are you interested in ?
<vsiles>
I would have to ask, it was more a general question
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<Drup>
CIL's implement itself is ... let's go with "academic". Some (but not all) algorithms are implemented more solidely in various places in the ocaml ecosystem
<Drup>
oh wait, no, CIL is the C-front end, I was confusing with CIME ...
<theblatte>
the llvm bindings are for the llvm bitcode
<hornhack>
wow, interesting
<theblatte>
clangml is for the clang-specific APIs, eg the AST
<theblatte>
yes, clangml rocks! wish we had that when we started our clang frontend
<hornhack>
wow, nice, clangml!
<hornhack>
aight, thanks, bye
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<cemerick> @Drup what would you think about adding support for non-standard attributes to tyxml? (like those required by e.g. htmx https://htmx.org/)
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<Drup> I'm ... mildly conflicted about that
<d_bot>
<Drup> I definitely want it to be easy to add new attributes to support the use case
<d_bot>
<Drup> I'm not sure if I want them to be in the same namespace or not
<d_bot>
<Drup> I think I would need someone familiar with the topic to make a case for it
<d_bot>
<Drup> Note that `Unsafe.*_attrib` already allow to create attributes fairly easily. The typing is a bit of an issue though
<d_bot>
<Drup> (It might be desirable to change those `Unsafe` to `Custom` to better reflect what it's used for though ...)
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<cemerick> Yeah, that doesn't help with jsx tho
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<Drup> oh, right, that is true
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<Drup> I don't remember what the tyxml ppx does in that case
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<cemerick> it chokes in the same way as the jsx ppx
<d_bot>
<Drup> arg
<d_bot>
<Drup> okay, maybe it's time to be a bit more liberal there
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<cemerick> there's a bunch of libraries that have their own set of non-standard attributes, it seems like there should be a general mechanism for extending what's acceptable that doesn't involve hacking away at tyxml itself
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<Drup> I agree
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<Drup> Now that I remember it, we also though it would be good to have that ... but couldn't figure out how
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<Drup> Propositions are welcome ! 😄
<d_bot>
<cemerick> Maybe the ppx's should accept as command-line arguments a list of acceptable custom attributes?
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<Drup> I'm not fond of having this kind of stuff specified in outside (build) tools
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<cemerick> would make one's dune file a little messy, but it'd work
<d_bot>
<cemerick> fair
<d_bot>
<cemerick> the other thing off the top of my head is to choose some prefix sigil that is an escape hatch into handling simlar to data-* attributes, since that's what all these really are.
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<cemerick> e.g. <div !hx-put="..."/>
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<Drup> yeah
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<Drup> that wouldn't work for JSX though
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<cemerick> @Drup a leading or trailing underscore would work
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<cemerick> I think I might implement the _ prefix and see how it works out
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<VPhantom> Is <https://opam.ocaml.org/packages/calendar/> considered the standard way to manipulate dates, calculate modified Julian days, figure out business days vs holiday schedules, etc. in OCaml? I see quite a few packages depending on it, but also it's been stale with open issues going back several years and the last release was in 2014, so I'm wondering if it perhaps fell out of favor.
<d_bot>
<VPhantom> Short-term I just need a battle-tested way to convert year,month,day triplets to/from modified Julian days and to figure out days of the week, but I always try to use the de facto standard library choices when I can.
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<darrenldl> timedesc (date time lib inside timere repo) is your most reliable bet atm id say
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<darrenldl>
<d_bot>
<darrenldl> it's on par with modern date time libs in other langs and handle time zone much nicer than calendar
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<darrenldl> for julian days conversion...i dont remember immediately if those functions are exposed in timedesc (or ptime, which we copied the formulas from)...let me check...
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<cemerick> @Drup actually, the jsx kebab-casing is sorta borked in general? `data_foo_bar="baz"` produces a `data-_foo_bar` attribute, and `dataFooBar` produces `data-fooBar`
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<Drup> ahah, it's possible, kebe-casing for `data-foo` has never been tested 😆
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<darrenldl> @VPhantom okay we have jd_of_* in Timedesc.Utils, but no converaion from the ymd representation back to julian day
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<darrenldl> as for days of week, depends on what you want to do exactly (timedesc has iso week date and weekday accessor of date)
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<cemerick> @Drup /me pushes another yak on the stack lol
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<cemerick> @Drup is the camel-casing that's supported now a Good Thing? Seems out of place given the use of underscores otherwise?
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<Drup> well, it is unfortunately necessary
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<Drup> (there are many attributes which are inconsistent between the HTML spec and the Javascript API, and also inconsistent with the Reason/React JSX)
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<Drup> (So that was the only way to make code mildly reusable)
<d_bot>
<Alistair> Is there any documentation into how abbreviations are efficiently implemented in the OCaml type checker?
<d_bot>
<Drup> Jerome Vouillon's thesis maybe ? 😄
<d_bot>
<Drup> (probably not even there)
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<cemerick> @Drup okay, I'll try generalizing it then, so that any capital or _ will produce a -
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<VPhantom> Thanks for checking. 😃
<d_bot>
<VPhantom> Daypack looks promising for some of the ERP stuff I'll have to do later: managing scheduling for use of resources and what not.
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<darrenldl> they are in desc/date_time_utils.ml
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<darrenldl> (timedesc came after timere, so the naming of the folders were bit eh
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<VPhantom> Weird that GitHub's search didn't show it.
<d_bot>
<darrenldl> huh
<d_bot>
<darrenldl> ah, might be cause of the different naming exposed
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<VPhantom> Our legacy system makes extensive use (and even extends privately) Perl's `Date::Manip` to figure out scheduling for task queues only during business hours (thus avoiding weekends, holidays, nights). Sounds like you had to work in the same kind of direction in OCaml.
<d_bot>
<darrenldl> nowhere that serious - it started with me wanting a constraint solving todo list thingy
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<VPhantom> Oh we'll be dealing with dates and timestamps in an internal format, pretty printing will be a separate need.
<d_bot>
<darrenldl> oh thats for requirement specification parsing
<d_bot>
<darrenldl> but ye
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<VPhantom> My main concern is to replicate the concepts of business hours and business days that we had, so I can predict the schedule of tasks on a given resource based on how much time (in hours) each takes.
<d_bot>
<VPhantom> We also try not to e-mail customers on holidays, etc.
<d_bot>
<VPhantom> This is later though, I just need our "offset julian days" for now, a riff off NASA's truncated julian days but with 60K instead of 40K as the offset from MJD.
<d_bot>
<darrenldl> im reading up on perl date manip, really could have used it as part of feature consideration
<d_bot>
<VPhantom> They go a bit overboard with the dates and diffs, but once we dig into the internals (we have a few odd requirements I guess) it got the job done.
<d_bot>
<VPhantom> If you're curious I think I could show you privately our `BusinessHours.pm` which shows what kind of manipulations we did with it.
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<Jektrix> I was playing around with timere the other day. Awesome work btw. Is there also the opposite of the parse, A timedesc to human readable string function?
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<darrenldl> from an arbitrary timere object to readable human string on the other hand...would be an interesting challenge, but not really sure where to begin : D
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<Jektrix> Hmm. Yeah I use the rrule library at work and it's rule to string is not too bad
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<Jektrix> Not really sure how it worksb
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<darrenldl> rrule is less expressive than timere, however
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<darrenldl> (from a quick glance anyway)
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<Jektrix> Hmm. I found it pretty similar but I haven't tried timere enough! I'll hopefully play with it more this weekend
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<Jektrix> Gonna use it for a little project;)
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<darrenldl> can you do union, intersect, time zone change for subexpression in rrule?
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<darrenldl> well if you restrict timere objects to height of 1-ish, then it'd be roughly same as rrule i guess for the most part
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<darrenldl> but ye, curious to see what your project will be about!
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<Jektrix> Hmm I don't think so.
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<Continuation Calculus> heyyy
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<Continuation Calculus> i am trying to use dune-action-plugin
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<Continuation Calculus> but i am getting an error that i don't understand:
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<Continuation Calculus> `Following files were written despite not being declared as targets in dune file: [my files]. To fix, add them to target list in dune file.`
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<Continuation Calculus> Isn't the entire goal of dune-action-plugin that i don't have to specify the targets ahead of time?
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<Continuation Calculus> ~~I just want my makefile parametrized rules :(~~