00:29 <d1b2> <Holonium> Okay, so I take it that the estimates for June 2022 should be valid? I just figured I would check...

00:33 <d1b2> <esden> as valid as anything these days...

00:34 <d1b2> <esden> it is our best estimate at the moment

09:18 <Guest94> glasgows on Aliexpress already

09:18 <Guest94> shouldn't have open sourced it guys

09:38 <whitequark> got a link?

09:39 <d1b2> <Attie> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005003267430919.html

09:39 <whitequark> nice

09:40 <d1b2> <Attie> looks like a direct lift... even the "Risks & Challenges"

09:40 <whitequark> should i order one?

09:40 <d1b2> <Attie> also, I didn't think @timonsku case was public yet?...

09:40 <whitequark> would very much like to see what they ship lol

09:40 <d1b2> <Attie> I was tempted, just to see what happens! heh

09:41 <whitequark> Guest94: I'm pretty happy though, the goal was never to make a profit from hardware or even to have a monopoly on manufacturing

09:41 <whitequark> the goal was to bring into the world something that ought to exist

09:42 <RaYmAn> maybe I don't remember correctly, but that ali price is way higher isn't it?

09:42 <RaYmAn> yeah, the preorder still says 145$

09:42 <d1b2> <Attie> oh, and "Free Shipping , To  United Kingdom via AliExpress Standard Shipping , Estimated delivery on Dec 21 " ... uhh

09:42 <whitequark> lol

09:42 <russss> maybe they have some counterfeit parts

09:43 <whitequark> no but really im gonna order one

09:43 <whitequark> if they do actually ship i better know what the fuck is actually in there

09:43 <d1b2> <Attie> :) please share what happens!

10:56 <d1b2> <timonsku> lol I came across them recently, they have Piunora also listed. They resell shit they find online for crazy markups and start selling shortly after product is announced. Much of what they sell is still in development.

11:00 <whitequark> ah

11:00 <whitequark> so it's just... what do you call it even? a scam? they're not technically doing fraud i think?

11:07 <sorear> either just-in-time fulfillment or dropshipping depending on whether I take possession of the goods or just proxy orders

11:08 <russss> arbitrage

11:18 <whitequark> oh right, you may not be able to buy from CS

11:20 <sorear> also gambling on low-information buyers who just check [aliexpress] and call it a day

11:51 <RaYmAn> It's kind of weird though, wouldn't most people just dispute when they don't get the thing after X months (if it's reselling from crowdsupply)

11:58 <sorear> do they not have the fulfillment date set far enough in the future to avoid that?

11:59 <whitequark> > 2997 pieces available

12:05 <RaYmAn> sorear: they say estimated delivery Dec 30 for me, premium shipping dec 22

12:05 <RaYmAn> I don't know when glasgow is actually shipping I guess

12:05 <whitequark> neither do we

12:05 <RaYmAn> but certainly after Dec 30 according to the latest emails :)

12:05 <sorear> I misread that as Dec 2022 which was more plausible

19:42 <d1b2> <pitust> could i DIY a glasgow? how hard would that be? could i just buy a revC1 pcb and solder a glasgow together?

19:42 <whitequark> if you can get the ICs, yes

19:43 <d1b2> <Attie> the soldering will require skills and tools too - but if you're up for that, then yeah, you could hand assemble one

19:44 <d1b2> <pitust> are the ICs rare or anything or

19:44 <whitequark> chip shortage

19:44 <d1b2> <pitust> okay, fair enough ig

21:37 <d1b2> <timonsku> yea kinda scamy, I think they do send products but well, possibly 6 months late or whatever or they just refund you if their bet doesn't work out.

21:37 <d1b2> <timonsku> and yea for double the price 😄

21:38 <d1b2> <timonsku> here is mine https://www.aliexpress.com/item/1005003267498401.html they just steal the product page and doubled the price of everything

21:39 <whitequark> even the table

21:40 <d1b2> <timonsku> lol yea

21:40 <d1b2> <timonsku> I pinged CS about it but I think Josh forgot about it

21:42 <d1b2> <timonsku> yea its still under dev. probably not too useful right now tbh its getting the "new" lightpipes that the Luna case also has and some other modifications

21:43 <whitequark> oh sweet