15:05 <fifr> Hi. The following example crashes with stack overflow: when calling the `size` method: https://bpa.st/X57KI is this expected?

16:02 <FromGitter> <Blacksmoke16> yes

16:04 <FromGitter> <Blacksmoke16> the gist of it is including indexable also includes enumerable which overrides the `size` method of the `Base` type, turning it into essentially an infinite loop

16:15 <fifr> aah, I see ... and that implementation basically "counts" ... that was surprising (to me), haven't though of that

16:15 <fifr> thanks

16:17 <FromGitter> <Blacksmoke16> normally more specialized containers override `#size` to implement it in a more performant way

16:22 <fifr> yes, in my case a had a generic data structure without a specific container api (but a `size` method) and a derived class with a certain (array-like, i.e. `Indexable`) container api, and only the subclass can meaningful include `Indexable`

16:22 <fifr> that's no problem, of course, I can just reimplement `size` in the subclass

16:25 <FromGitter> <Blacksmoke16> 👍

17:10 <FromGitter> <rolandoam> anyone with experience with Clear ORM? trying to figure out how to run the migrations, and it's not clear how to either run the cli, or do it from the API

17:14 <FromGitter> <rolandoam> or is there another ORM that's better maintained that I should look into?

17:41 <FromGitter> <moe:busyloop.net> i've used clear a bunch but i never use the builtin migration thing. i always stick with https://github.com/amacneil/dbmate

17:42 <FromGitter> <moe:busyloop.net> no point in learning new custom migration magic for every project/framework

17:43 <FromGitter> <moe:busyloop.net> i don't think you'll find a more mature ORM for crystal atm (clear is pretty nice one you have it running). ⏎ the only other contender that i'm aware of would be jennifer.cr - but i've found that one a bit messier than clear.

18:08 <FromGitter> <Blacksmoke16> for simple cases using the raw driver shard + `DB::Serializable` can work quite well

19:39 <FromGitter> <moe:busyloop.net> until you need a JOIN ...

20:16 <FromGitter> <rolandoam> got it, thanks @moe! I'll stick to Clear for now and just have a custom init file to create the initial schema. I'm still very early in the dev where having migrations is not really a must, I was just curious if there was something obvious I was missing