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12:25 <uwumeowmeownyaa> Happy Halloween :-D

12:26 <uwumeowmeownyaa> What was the scariest thing that happened to you while using CRUX GNU/Linux?

12:42 <jue> uwumeowmeownyaa: you heard that already, the name is just "CRUX" and _not_ "CRUX GNU/Linux"

13:19 <remiliascarlet> uwumeowmeownyaa: The scariest thing while using CRUX? I imagined Beerman putting systemd in core.

13:26 <uwumeowmeownyaa> That would've been devastating!

13:32 <SiFuh> jue: Yeah, multiple times and seems to just completely ignore it.

13:33 <SiFuh> jue: It's why we think he may be a bot because just scrapped it from the internet and now runs with it.

13:34 <SiFuh> scraped*

14:02 <uwumeowmeownyaa> Does the so-called "CRUX" use the Linux kernel? Yes, it does. Does "CRUX" rely on GNU userland to function? Indeed it does. Therefore, "CRUX" is in fact the CRUX GNU/Linux distribution.

14:04 <remiliascarlet> Didn't Linus Torvalds at one point say that distro makers are the ones to decide how to call their distro, and not Richard Stallman?

14:09 <SiFuh> uwumeowmeownyaa: And did not the creator of CRUX say it is just called CRUX and nothing else?

14:14 <remiliascarlet> uwumeowmeownyaa: Also, in your logic, we should be calling Android "Android Linux", ChromeOS "Chrome Google/Linux", and HyperbolaBSD "Hyperbola GNU/BSD".

14:15 <remiliascarlet> Or "Hyperbola GNU/OpenBSD" rather.

14:16 <SiFuh> remiliascarlet: But don't forget he has often called Arch "Arch Linux" and Gentoo "Gentoo"

14:17 <SiFuh> Imagine having to name my truck after every single brand, part and licence it consists of.

14:18 <remiliascarlet> archlinux.org: "You've reached the website for **Arch Linux**, a lightweight and flexible Linux® distribution that tries to Keep It Simple." -> "Arch Linux"

14:19 <remiliascarlet> gentoo.org: "Welcome to **Gentoo**, a highly flexible, source-based Linux distribution." -> "Gentoo"

14:19 <remiliascarlet> crux.nu: "CRUX is a lightweight Linux distribution for the x86-64 architecture targeted at experienced Linux users." -> "CRUX GNU/Linux"

14:19 <remiliascarlet> Yeah, totally consistent...

14:20 <remiliascarlet> And all 3 use GNU userland and Linux kernel.

14:33 <uwumeowmeownyaa> Linus Torvalds being an expert in Linux kernel development does not mean him being an expert in everything else: he says bizarre things sometimes.

14:36 <remiliascarlet> I don't like the modern Linus Torvalds at all, I liked the one that existed before he got kicked out of the kernel for 6 months a lot more. But even in his current state he makes more good points than Richard Stallman does.

14:37 <remiliascarlet> Richard Stallman says good things about digital privacy, but the entire rest of his blog is full of communist propaganda and liberal retardness.

14:37 <uwumeowmeownyaa> Also I surely might have called the GNU/Linux distribution "Arch" by its pronoun in a hurry. Referring to such events is as questionable as pointing out one's typos.

14:39 <uwumeowmeownyaa> remiliascarlet: Neither Richard M. Stallman is always right. Different people are good at different things.

14:41 <remiliascarlet> uwumeowmeownyaa: By the way, here's a song about Richard Stallman: https://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html#43

14:47 <uwumeowmeownyaa> I prefer songs where a BSD license liker has his (or her) code taken by a corporation to never sent a patch back.

14:50 <remiliascarlet> Yeah, and if it wasn't for free licenses like BSD or ISC in the case of OpenBSD, proprietary software, and by that the entire business or corporate cybersecurity would have been in a way worse state.

14:52 <remiliascarlet> Not saying we should be using proprietary software, it's just that the dependence on proprietary software, whether directly or indirectly, is simply not avoidable.

14:53 <remiliascarlet> You have Nvidia? Proprietary firmware. You use online banking? Proprietary software. You use Telegram? Proprietary backend. You use YouTube? Proprietary frontend and backend.

14:54 <remiliascarlet> Most WiFi drivers are proprietary even.

14:57 <remiliascarlet> And unless you run a computer with a RISC-V processor, it's literally impossible to not have something proprietary in your computer.

15:01 <uwumeowmeownyaa> Before "Most Wi-Fi drivers are proprietary" there was "All Wi-Fi drivers are proprietary" at some point. Depending on proprietary software does not mean that Free software should be abandoned.

15:03 <remiliascarlet> Who said that free software should be abandoned?

15:04 <remiliascarlet> The point is, if you're a developer of proprietary software, and you want to use a free software component, then any copyleft license goes out of the window, which includes both GPL and CDDL. All you have left are copyfree licenses like BSD, ISC, MIT, and Apache.

15:06 <remiliascarlet> Theo de Raadt said something among the lines of "we'd rather have companies steal our secure and high quality code than them having to make their own inferior implementations".

15:07 <remiliascarlet> Not an exact quote.

17:00 <cruxbridge> <tim> remiliascarlet: weak diss :)

17:01 <cruxbridge> <tim> there never was any systemd in core nor do I see that happen, nobody wants that.

17:02 <cruxbridge> <tim> me included, for what its worth. It's weird I have to say.

17:02 <cruxbridge> <tim> it

17:06 <cruxbridge> <tim> But while we are at things: it's weird to me you all seem to be so offended with that one user saying CRUX GNU/Linux all the time. But whatever. In case it's a troll there used to be a saying among grown ups: "Don't feed the troll"

17:06 <cruxbridge> <tim> And if it's no troll: gosh you sure make it seem like a lovely community.

17:07 <cruxbridge> <tim> And since we are dropping opinions in here today: I don't care for the talk. I contribute on a regular basis to keep CRUX alive :)

17:36 <serpente> Do you guys remeber that Arch was based on Crux long ago, that is scary too

17:38 <zorz> serpente: hahahahaha

18:08 <SiFuh__> Heh he says 'inspired by' but he was often in channel asking for advice

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