08:46 <jue> beerman: that's my fault, I've committed a fix at 2023-09-22 but didn't raise the release. Please try if the latest mariadb.rc works for you.

08:46 <beerman> Will do in a bit :) thanks!

08:46 <jue> thank you for the report ;)

08:48 <beerman> of course :)

08:50 <beerman> jue jaeger any objections to pull in python 3.12 for 3.8? I looked at it over the weekend, and will need to do a bit more testing, but i have only identified >10 ports that don't play nice with it yet - it should be fine until we are ready to release 3.8

08:51 <jue> no objections, will be a lot of work to update all the footprints, though

08:55 <beerman> already done 🫠

08:55 <beerman> not comitted and pushed though

08:56 <beerman> https://dpaste.com/CKGMHTUMQ it's not stupid if it works

08:57 <beerman> https://dpaste.com/27VZPCLYH footprints for opt

09:01 <jue> ok :)

09:02 <beerman> i'll commit what i have later tonight then, if jaeger has no objections

09:03 <beerman> we'll need to look into setuptools, https://docs.python.org/3/whatsnew/3.12.html distutils has been removed. building setuptools fails

09:03 <beerman> i hacked around it by using ensurepip which we have in core/python3

09:04 <beerman> https://dpaste.com/6W6AXHQD7 <-

09:05 <beerman> certainly not the correct way, but i am unsure if that means we will need build, wheel and installer in core or so..

14:23 <jaeger> No objection here

15:56 <beerman> cool, will commit later. The setuptools bootstrap might be the way after all, I did some more reading during the day. But probably exchanging them for build, wheel and installer might be a lot better. Of course, this would require for not only the footprint to change but all the ports that use setuptools to build the package will need to adapt to the new syntax.

15:57 <beerman> and build, wheel and installer will need to be bootstrapped the same way. First imagination says that instead of setuptools we would need pip, build, wheel, installer in core. Then at least we only bootstrap pip once, instead later on again in opt

16:01 <beerman> i am stopped right at the beginning where nftables requires setuptools, so nevermind

16:06 <jaeger> Sounds like a bit of a mess

16:07 <beerman> https://dpaste.com/6W6AXHQD7 i guess sticking to setuptools will be the best option right now until dust settles

16:07 <beerman> the diff doesn't look too bad once its applied :)

16:36 <jaeger> ok

19:04 <sajcho> beerman: I used this pip build path and it works fine https://github.com/sajcho/core-x86_64/blob/main/python3-pip/Pkgfile

19:16 <beerman> but why when there is ensure pip included in our python3 install?

19:34 <sajcho> be independent of the supplied version of pip in the python source

21:50 <beerman> i am not sure why though? ensurepip is fine enough to bootstrap a proper pip from the pip source? Why would an external script be any better?

22:34 <sajcho> you're right, sorry, it was just a shout in the dark, forget it

22:43 <beerman> mh