00:00 <Guest28> I know Lispworks has more support for things like mobile and smaller executables. What goes into adding support for something like that?

00:03 <Inline> money, workcraft, design

00:03 <bjorkintosh> Guest28: Blood, Sweat and Tears.

00:03 <bjorkintosh> or what Inline said.

00:05 <Guest28> But is it essentially lots of code to intelligently decide what aspects of the runtime are needed? Or do we not even know? I figured some progress must be being made there for OSS because of Trial and Kandria running on Switch

00:10 <|3b|> sbcl tends to not care much about executable size, clisp and ecl can make much smaller executables

00:10 <veqq> Guest28: to cut through the confusion. dont write save lisp and die in the code, but from the command line.

00:10 <|3b|> aside from figuring out what "isn't needed" there is also the problem of getting to the point where not everything is needed in the first place

00:11 <|3b|> for example CLOS tends to use the compiler at runtime in sbcl

00:11 <|3b|> so there is a big chunk you might assume could be removed that can't

00:13 <|3b|> switch port might address some of that, due to limitations on runtime code generation, but still lots of that sort of hidden detail that needs figured out, fixed and then maintained

00:14 <|3b|> and considering the size of "just include an entire browser lol" executable that are common these days, sbcl runtime isn't even that big

00:17 <Inline> i got hunchentoot/drakma/cl-who/spinneret/cavemen2/djula/easy-routes/mcclim/common-lisp-jupyter combo just in 157M

00:17 <Inline> and climacs

00:17 <Inline> heh

00:22 <veqq> It's faster and more performant than equivalent java etc. It's just the middle ground feels weird, compared to the 10mb go binary or whatever.

00:22 <veqq> I think it's an artifact of the image based development cycle not working when big deployments are over many computers. I guess we'd need something like BEAM with a self replicating image, but... I don't know how it'd work.

00:25 <Inline> i could add maxima too if i wanted, i have done it several times already, just have to get the sources again...