<rohan>
can you send me your in link for inkscape build?
<Torr>
See ya folks
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<wael[m]>
cya
<sad_plan>
midfavila how does that make.sh file goes for tinyx? does it work properly?
<midfavila>
make.sh doesn't work for tinyx, its build system is too complex
<midfavila>
make.sh only works with relatively simple projects and it's mostly a stopgap measure anyway
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<midfavila>
tinyx should probably just have its build system rewritten
<midfavila>
wink wink nudge nudge
<sad_plan>
I couldve sworn you mentioned you made one though :p
<midfavila>
i did, and it works for simple projects, but i threw it together in a few minutes at most
<midfavila>
so it's not robust enough to work for something like tinyx
<sad_plan>
hardyharrharr. yeah I would love to write one. I know kyxor also wanted to rewrite it. I curretly has some other stuff to figure out. like that pesky patch for toybox to avoid bash.
<sad_plan>
I see
<midfavila>
i'm focusing on other things that are more critical to getting my fork self-hosting right now, to be honest
<midfavila>
i've been drafting a spec for a multiprotocol toolkit the past few hours in order to replace axel/curl
<sad_plan>
thats fair :p
<sad_plan>
whats wrong with axel/curl though?
<midfavila>
axel requires an openssl compatible library, and curl is huge
<midfavila>
both in terms of binary size and codebase
<sad_plan>
so no go on axel with bearssl I assume?
<midfavila>
even if that were possible, it's beyond my abilities
<sad_plan>
curl does have bearssl support though
<sad_plan>
I see
<midfavila>
curl is also huge, like I said
<ioraff>
a "multiprotocol toolkit" isn't beyond your abilities, but porting axel to bearssl is?
<midfavila>
considering i'm unfamiliar with the technologies employed in axel, yes
<midfavila>
the code is also very poorly written and organized
<midfavila>
a very simple abstraction library, a set of HTTP utilities and a small userland program sitting atop them seems to be a much more reasonable goal for me right now
<midfavila>
it's also a better learning experience
<midfavila>
current goal is to implement just barely enough to get GET and redirect following working
<midfavila>
mind, I'm also ignorant enough about programming to not be able to accurately gauge relative difficulties of different projects
<midfavila>
so I could be making a huge mistake... but then, that's part of learning
<ioraff>
have you considered hurl?
<midfavila>
i've been introduced to it
<midfavila>
it's intruiging and could be an option
<midfavila>
intriguing*
<sad_plan>
and hurl is..? a rewrite of curl with some other goals?
<midfavila>
maybe i'll ~~shamelessly steal~~ reference parts of it
<midfavila>
oh
<sad_plan>
aah, so more or less curl without alot of stuff then
<ioraff>
for someone "ignorant" about programming, perhaps adding a protocol to it would be a saner starting point than starting from scratch
<midfavila>
hurl depends on libressl
<midfavila>
that's a total non-starter
<ioraff>
it depends on libtls
<midfavila>
which is part of libressl, no?
<sad_plan>
aswell as libtls-bearssl
<midfavila>
then perhaps it's worth referencing
<sad_plan>
youll quickly find out if its incompatible with bearssl anyway
<midfavila>
meh
<midfavila>
ultimately I'm doing this for more than just having an HTTP and TLS client
<midfavila>
i've wanted to learn Berkeley Sockets for a while, and I need a project(s) to tinker with to learn more about C
<midfavila>
this is, I think, a better way to accomplish both
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<testuser[m]1>
The key point here is our programmers... They’re not capable of understanding a brilliant language... So, the language that we give them has to be easy for them to understand.
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<midfavila>
Scheme? :D
<midfavila>
it fits both categories
<testuser[m]1>
―Rob Pike, creator of Go
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<illiliti>
anyone find it useful that kiss does checksums for local files?
<illiliti>
personally i don't
<wael[m]>
its only there because does checksums from the sources file to copy to the build directory i assume
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<wael[m]>
there should be a checksum detector for local files (eg. 'local' instead of actual checksum)
<midfavila>
idk how much I even care about checksumming in the first place t b q h\
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<testuser[m]1>
illiliti its good if u accidentally change the file
<illiliti>
but we have git for that, no?
<testuser[m]1>
yeah
<testuser[m]1>
but still
<Ogromny>
Hi everyone, has any of you packaged thunderbird ?
<Ogromny>
My fucking fuck, thundershit is 500MB only for the source lol
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<ioraff>
testuser[m]1: flac has an ABI-breaking update, so we should push it and chromium together
<testuser[m]1>
ioraff Ok
<testuser[m]1>
Don't u maintain both anyways :p
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<ioraff>
fair
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<rohan>
anyone know a latex solution for kiss? other than tex live
<phoebos>
miktex
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<vouivre>
tinytex
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<virutalmachineus>
<Ogromny> "My fucking fuck, thundershit is..." <- just why.......
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<Ogromny>
virutalmachineus: I tried to use aerc, but for mail idk I just really like gui
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<sad_plan>
hi
<sad_plan>
has anyone used dropbear with git before? is it compatible?
<sad_plan>
instead of openssh
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<illiliti>
i believe it should work just fine
<sad_plan>
hm. I belive I did try it earlier, but I couldnt get it to work. said soemthing about no ssh client is running or w/e. I dont really recall. but I should revisit it instead. maybe I can switch out openssh for it
<illiliti>
got sick of openssh or just for fun?
<sad_plan>
for fun really. nothing wrong with openssh tbh. I dont really use it for anything else than git anyway
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<sad_plan>
and seeing as I were rebuilding my system from scratch now anyway, I dont see why not try to replace some stuff, which I had planned anyway
<illiliti>
good idea
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<sad_plan>
yeah, no more gnupg1 for me.
<illiliti>
why did you need it at all
<illiliti>
for commit signing/verification?
<illiliti>
i suppose
<sad_plan>
yeah, that was the sole reason I used it. but seeing as git now supports signing with ssh keys, its no longer needed. which is great
<illiliti>
git has support for it for almost a year now
<illiliti>
it's just github being slow to work on actual things
<sad_plan>
yeah, I meant to say github really. I found out when you linked the article a while back :p
<illiliti>
btw, should gpupg1 be dropped from main repo?
<illiliti>
since obviously we have a better way to sign commits now
<sad_plan>
I dont see why not. move it to community if people still want to use it
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<illiliti>
i've created an issue
<sad_plan>
great
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<sad_plan>
ffs, why doesnt links work with graphics.. doesnt it work on tinyx? midfavila
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<midfavila>
dunno
<midfavila>
haven't bothered testing
<midfavila>
i need to get libpng and stuff to build before I can
<midfavila>
and that's like, the last thing on my mind right now
<midfavila>
i'm currently cursing the posix manpages . _.
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<sad_plan>
I see
<sad_plan>
mandoc?
<midfavila>
it's not about formatting, it's about how horrible they are as reference material
<midfavila>
to be fair, they're not *designed* to be reference material, but it's still annoying . _.
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