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<testuser[m]>
Hi
<acheam>
Hi!
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<phoebos>
hi
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<natris1979[m]>
hi people just saying "hi". What are you up to?
<jslick>
hi
<natris1979[m]>
heh, was trying to break the cycle of "hi"s there
<jslick>
hi, I was playing slay the spire
<natris1979[m]>
oh that one looks interesting
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<natris1979[m]>
I've recently come off a big FTL kick
<jslick>
I have over 1300 hours; I still suck at it
<jslick>
there is a card in sts called FL
<jslick>
* FTL
<natris1979[m]>
dang, that's some commitment
<jslick>
I oughta put FTL on my wishlist
<natris1979[m]>
I like it a lot
<natris1979[m]>
it's very satisfying both casually and as an obsessive completionist
<natris1979[m]>
oof that formatting got messed up, but I think it's still readable. Let me know if not
* natris1979[m]
is a new Matrix user
<natris1979[m]>
oh I guess one thing is that `su` requires the root password. But I still don't quite get why my thing didn't work even with that
<natris1979[m]>
oh probably because only the first parameter got passed with $1, so I was running echo and cat with no params
<testuser[m]>
Do $@
<testuser[m]>
Or $*
<testuser[m]>
natris1979: u need to add a newline before "```" for it to show properly
<natris1979[m]>
ah, yeah `$*` did the trick. So I guess it's that sudo/ssu let you use the underprivileged user's password. Which is pretty useful in an non home/toy server context
<testuser[m]>
Yeah
<testuser[m]>
And also have options to preserve environment variables
<testuser[m]>
I don't think su has that
<natris1979[m]>
well thanks for 90% rubber ducking for me :)
<natris1979[m]>
oh interesting, I didn't know sudo did that
<testuser[m]>
Discord idiot staff got the project closed but it still works
<bibliocar>
oh, that's good to hear.
<bibliocar>
Is go easy on kiss?
<testuser[m]>
Easy as `go build`
<testuser[m]>
https://github.com/gord-project/gord btw use this fork instead, it's dead too but it added support for the new "replies" thing before dying
<bibliocar>
I'm on arm with glasnost/llvm
<bibliocar>
okay, nevermind. Looks like it can also use gcc
<testuser[m]>
U don't need gcc?
<testuser[m]>
Go build with clang
<bibliocar>
oh, okay.
<bibliocar>
I like kiss a lot so far.
<testuser[m]>
nice
<bibliocar>
lots of rough edges, though. I think the simplicity thing goes a long way in terms of giving people like me the ability to fix problems.
<bibliocar>
oh neat, I just found the repo search site.
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<jedavies>
bibliocar: have now added an aarch64 kernel and uboot to the repo. May be a useful starting point for your device.
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<jedavies>
Unfortunately building uboot for the pinephone means building gcc 3 times though xD
<noocsharp>
why 3?
<noocsharp>
don't you just need aarch64 and or1k?
<noocsharp>
(if you use crust)
<jedavies>
and arm-none-eabi, for atf
<noocsharp>
ah
<jedavies>
I tried building them with clang, but it's currently missing features that would allow this.
<noocsharp>
i appear to have it installed but no recollection of every needing it
<jason123onirc>
someone wants to run kiss on the pinephone?
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<natris1979[m]>
Isn't there a fork of kiss that can cross compile to arm? Would that make life easier?
<dilyn>
you can use crosstools-ng to quickly create a cross-compiler...
<dilyn>
there's an aarch64 fork of kiss by jedavies iirc...
<jedavies>
The aarch64 fork is now archived, since Glasnost allows running on and cross building to aarch64. Currently chatting from a pinephone.
<jedavies>
Did not have time to maintain both
<jason123onirc>
you have kiss on the pinephone?
<jedavies>
A fork of kiss
<jedavies>
Same package manager but it allows cross building. clang/llvm is used instead of gcc/binutils. core, extra and wayland are kept in line with kiss, with most packages being symlinked to mainline kiss wherever possible.
<jedavies>
So I don't have to update them - Dylan does
<jason123onirc>
What is the experience with kiss on the pinephone?
<jason123onirc>
well not kiss but the fork glasnost
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<jedavies>
As a regular linux desktop (i.e. plugged into a mouse/kbd/monitor as I have it now) - similar to running regular kiss. It has the same base set of packages.
<jason123onirc>
What desktop or gui do you use? if you use one
<jedavies>
Have been running it as my main desktop for about a month. It has firefox and a terminal, which is mostly what I need.
<jedavies>
I use sway right now. Would like to try some other wayland compositors though.
<jedavies>
As a phone though - I have wvkbd mapped to one of the volume keys which toggles it. So I can run terminals and firefox using the mobile UI.
<jason123onirc>
You could try and get sxmo working
<jedavies>
But phonecalls, texts, bluetooth etc, I haven't tried yet
<jedavies>
I think it works with sway now (was called "swmo" I think?), so maybe.
<jason123onirc>
yeah
<jason123onirc>
its sway for mobile
<jason123onirc>
sxmo would be much better then using full desktop sway
<jedavies>
just regular sway + wvkbd is almost enough
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<jedavies>
you can switch workspaces by touching the screen, launch apps with the on screen keyboard / bemenu.
<jason123onirc>
I have a pinephone running arch and never saw someone use kiss on the pinephone
<jedavies>
kiss supports only x86_64
<jedavies>
other people have forked it to run on different devices
<jason123onirc>
yes I know that only glasnost works
<natris1979[m]>
yeah, glasnost is what I was thinking of
<natris1979[m]>
Be warned. The sxmo codebase isn't pretty imo. Lots of shellscripts that make a lot of assumptions about the environment. Which I suppose is fine if you're using it completely, but it's a bit wonky to try to grab pieces of in a meaningful way
<natris1979[m]>
I tried porting some of the sxmo code to work under arch on my ms surface laptop and gave up after a while
<jedavies>
Yeah I don't think it would work on kiss without a lot of changes. dbus, bluez, xorg etc. are needed
<jason123onirc>
sxmo is all ready ported to arch
<jedavies>
Right now I just want the basics to allow me to launch applications. Haven't thought how to do phonecalls, texts etc. in a "kiss" style
<jason123onirc>
you could take stuff from sxmo
<jedavies>
Maybe. But right now I have a usable device running sway without all that stuff. I have the physical keys bound like this: vol-up: rotate screen 90deg. vol-down: toggle onscreen kbd. power-key: toggle screen on/off.
<jedavies>
I can launch apps using the onscreen keyboard / bemenu. A simple "tap to launch" app would be nice, and probably exists.
<natris1979[m]>
<jason123onirc> "sxmo is all ready ported to arch" <- Yeah I was less trying to port the whole thing to arch as much as move some pieces into my existing arch install. But as I moved over some stuff I found I had to move more stuff which meant moving more stuff which led to some amount of frustration
<natris1979[m]>
The one thing I'd still like to do is use their lisgd thing for touchscreen gesture support. That seems pretty powerful.
<natris1979[m]>
jedavies: Sounds pretty cool
<jason123onirc>
The whole thing is all ready ported to arch
<natris1979[m]>
it wasn't porting to arch that was the problem. It was peeling off the pieces I wanted. But it is cool that it runs on arch. Especially since I couldn't get postmarketos running on the tablet in question. I might mess around with dual booting sxmo
<jason123onirc>
phosh also works on arch if you want to use it
<jason123onirc>
Would glasnost be a good option for an older pc if I cross compile from my main pc?