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<kierank> :(
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<Lynne> JEEB: do you happen to have USAC in LATM samples, e.g. what's actually used over the air
<JEEB> so there's none in the USAC reference suite?
<JEEB> also wasn't it so that USAC always was within this small container of its own? bitbanged one.
<JEEB> so you'd then have LATM with AAC packets and then those would contain the USAC stuff
<JEEB> of course if USAC only has USAC bit streams, then looking at the mpeg-4 audio reference suite, there are compressedAss files that seem to be LATM, so there could be USAC within there? https://standards.iso.org/iso-iec/14496/-26/ed-2/en/README_audio.txt
<JEEB> (I love how they call LATM/LOAS "Ass")
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<Lynne> there's an official spec for USAC in LATM
<JEEB> fun
<JEEB> with N-Documents was still public
<JEEB> *wish
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<frankplow> How do people test things which require seeking? For example if I think there might be a bug which is triggered when a sequence is played to a certain point, then seeked to another point.
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<JEEB> frankplow: would be an API test most likely
<JEEB> I think we already have a seek test somewhere since I've seen that listed in fate
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<Lynne> frankplow: I just use mpv
<Lynne> scrubbing is the best test
<frankplow> JEEB, Lynne: Thanks
<JEEB> frankplow: but yea, `git grep "fate-.*seek"` should give you hints
<JEEB> such as the seek_utils thing
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<cone-976> ffmpeg Geoff Hill master:6f6bd10531e4: avcodec/ac3: Implement ac3_exponent_min for aarch64 NEON
<cone-976> ffmpeg Geoff Hill master:b69486ea18ed: avcodec/ac3: Implement float_to_fixed24 for aarch64 NEON
<cone-976> ffmpeg Geoff Hill master:69cb34f8859e: avcodec/ac3: Implement ac3_extract_exponents for aarch64 NEON
<cone-976> ffmpeg Geoff Hill master:42e88f18f30c: avcodec/ac3: Implement sum_square_butterfly_int32 for aarch64 NEON
<cone-976> ffmpeg Geoff Hill master:ee1bc723de4c: avcodec/ac3: Implement sum_square_butterfly_float for aarch64 NEON
<haasn> elenril: I still haven't figured out a clean way to make ost->enc_ctx reflect ost->encoder_opts, maybe you have an idea for that?
<haasn> It seems ost->encoder_opts gets updated in a lot of places, at different times
<haasn> do you think it would be too hacky to just av_opt_set_dict() inside ost_add()?
<haasn> I worry that it might set a precedent where components down the line are not sure if enc_ctx is up-to-date or not w.r.t encoder_opts
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<haasn> I also worry that av_opt_set_dict() mutates encoder_opts which may end up invalidating whatever downstream clients need this dict for
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<frankplow> 2d79ae3f8a3306d24afe43ba505693a8dbefd21b cut the outstanding fuzz ASAN crashes I have for the VVC decoder by over 70% and UBSAN errors by over 65%
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<cone-976> ffmpeg James Almer master:9eca5b8369b8: avcodec/vvc/ps: reset sps_id_used on flush
<cone-976> ffmpeg James Almer master:1f049d5627ce: avcodec/vvc/dec: fix typo
<haasn> just doing av_opt_set_dict() seems to cause warnings about unconsumed options later on
<elenril> haasn: encoder_opts should not be an API
<elenril> IMO applying it as soon as possible is the right thing to do
<haasn> I had a patch somewhere where I tried to remove encoder_opts
<haasn> but there was one case where we needed it and did not have an enc_ctx
<haasn> maybe for streamcopy
<elenril> possibly
<haasn> let me try again
<elenril> streamcopy uses it in a weird way
<haasn> there is also stuff like check_avoptions() and friends
<haasn> which want to look at all unconsumed options
<elenril> what's the problem with that?
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<haasn> here's what I tried https://0x0.st/Xiv2.txt
<haasn> but it doesn't seem to work
<haasn> (also not clear how to handle "threads" here, since we need to distinguish between thread_count=1 due to default value and thread_count=1 due to -threads 1)
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<kurosu> kierank: little relevance, and maybe there's a pattern (me), but in all companies I've worked for, I've never seen ffmpeg or its libraries being used by any product in the areas I had access to (can't say about subsidiaries or very different activities)
<kierank> I think you are the exception that proves the rule ;)
<kurosu> (mentioning it not to contradict, but to clarify my situation)
<kurosu> yes, I think few companies want to invest enough or have the "brains" for that type of work
<jdek> also something to note, ffmpeg is used in other fields too like forensics, not just direct multimedia stuff
<cone-976> ffmpeg Andreas Rheinhardt master:908a73df31ff: avcodec/mpegvideo_enc: Don't update current_picture unnecessarily
<cone-976> ffmpeg Andreas Rheinhardt master:66923165d5b7: avcodec/mpegutils: Move definitions to better places
<cone-976> ffmpeg Andreas Rheinhardt master:ca7b2c393a7c: avcodec/mpeg12: Remove always-false check
<cone-976> ffmpeg Andreas Rheinhardt master:a9709b3c8382: avcodec/mpegvideo_dec, mpeg12dec: Move MPEG1/2 code to mpeg12dec.c
<cone-976> ffmpeg Andreas Rheinhardt master:1a5452655aee: avcodec/mpeg12dec: Remove redundant check
<cone-976> ffmpeg Andreas Rheinhardt master:518f79f2a83d: avcodec/mpeg12dec: Don't pretend MPEG-1/2 to support alpha
<cone-976> ffmpeg Andreas Rheinhardt master:f48313526b5c: avcodec/mpegvideo_dec: Don't emit non-keyframe warning for H.261
<cone-976> ffmpeg Andreas Rheinhardt master:00e48e6da824: avcodec/mpeg12dec: Remove unnecessary FFCodec.close
<cone-976> ffmpeg Andreas Rheinhardt master:da4cca5fc0d6: avcodec/mpegvideo_dec: Remove obsolete current_picture_ptr reuse code
<cone-976> ffmpeg Andreas Rheinhardt master:b00c6976547c: avcodec/mpegvideo_dec: Remove redundant code to reset keyframe flag
<cone-976> ffmpeg Andreas Rheinhardt master:b7cf2d0efcd2: avcodec/mpegvideo_dec: Factor allocating dummy frame out
<cone-976> ffmpeg Andreas Rheinhardt master:6f2f496822b0: avcodec/mpegvideo_dec: Move getting Picture slot into alloc_picture()
<cone-976> ffmpeg Andreas Rheinhardt master:94295bb57407: avcodec/mpegvideo: Remove pointless check
<cone-976> ffmpeg Andreas Rheinhardt master:7f0efe232475: avcodec/mpeg12dec: Remove redundant mpeg_enc_ctx_allocated
<cone-976> ffmpeg Andreas Rheinhardt master:17414abb69b4: avcodec/mpegvideo_dec, h264_slice: Return proper error codes
<kurosu> jdek: yeah, that's why I mentioned "areas". In large-enough companies, you can't ever know
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<another|> jeebus! the phoronix comments on ffmpeg 7 are wild! weird discussions about x264 not using any patented tech and the likes
<mkver> another|: Who cares?
<another|> it's entertainment
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<Lynne> the standards of TV have fallen enough to make that look entertaining
<Lynne> mkver: any opinions on the AAC patchset yet?
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<mkver> Lynne: I have not even looked at it.
<mkver> I am quite busy atm.
<Lynne> alright, np, no rush
<Lynne> I think SBR is a bit left out of getting the same treatment, but that can be fixed later
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<Pasternyk> hello i can't find an .exe for the ffmpeg folder?
<jdarnley> where are you looking? ffmpeg.org does not distribute any but does link to some builds
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<Pasternyk> I thought ffmpeg was a software that allowed to record streams from iptv providers.
<Pasternyk> I was looking into ffmpeg-master-latest-win64-gpl
<jdarnley> it has many uses but you should ask them in #ffmpeg-user
<JEEB> it's just #ffmpeg on IRC
<jdarnley> is it? been a while since I was there
<JEEB> I am one of the masochists there so yes
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<mkver> jamrial: What is wrong with the ac3dsp (either the test or the dsp)? https://fate.ffmpeg.org/report.cgi?time=20240408160521&slot=x86_64-uubuntu-mingw32-gcc
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<jamrial> wbs: looks like the new ac3 checkasm tests fail on win64
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<jamrial> mkver, wbs: sign extend as usual, at least for the tests i fixed so far
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<jamrial> mkver, wbs: all of them, lol
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<cone-344> ffmpeg James Almer master:b0ef9e35e809: x86/ac3dsp: clear the upper 32 bits for input arguments where needed
<BBB> I'm confused, do mpeg-1 and mpeg-2 not support odd resolutions? I was pretty sure that they did
<BBB> michaelni: ^
<BBB> they do, right? or am I crazy?
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<nevcairiel> you can argue about subsampling being invalid with odd resolutions, but in practice such files exist anyway, no clue what the spec has to say on the matter
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<BBB> why would it be invalid? you just pad 1 pixel
<JEEB> I think the VPx decoders did that
<JEEB> not sure if anything else did?
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<BtbN> The xstack heap overflow due to odd resoltutions is also still around...
<BtbN> I don't understand the filter well enough to fix it, and nobody cares about my botched patch for it
* michaelni is firmly against discriminating against odd resolutions
<BtbN> well, the various xstack segfault with a heap overflow if you make them stack odd heights
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<BtbN> Cause it rounds up the subsampled height. so if you stack a 3x3 picture, the subsampled size is rounded up to 2x2, and it then tries to write two lines into the receiving frame at offset 2, which obviously does not go well
<michaelni> i meant for mpeg* and anything that could support it
<michaelni> of course segfaulting or any other undefined behavior must not occur
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<BtbN> I've thought about it a bit, and I have legitimately no idea how to correctly vertically stack odd resolutioned subsamples frames
<BtbN> *d
<BtbN> For a while I thought such frames would be plain invalid, but they seem to exist
<wbs> jamrial: sorry, and thanks for the prompt fix!
<michaelni> BtbN, if you want to tile a bunch of frames with funny chroma subsampling, it can be complicated. The reason is the chroma sample locations differ for a frame starting at even pixel than a odd pixel. So you would have to resample the chroma of some images and also merge the border columns and rows
<michaelni> that is for odd resolutions of course
<BtbN> So the correct fix for now would probably just be to have the xstack family of filters fail with an error if they encounter odd resolutions with subsamples frames
<BtbN> Wouldn't break any existing functionality, but replace a segfault with an error
<michaelni> yes probably or print a warning and do some hack like copy one line / column less
<BtbN> but I have no clue if it's correct
<michaelni> long term doing the correct resampling and merging should be done. Its not complex in terms of number of lines of code needed. Just maybe complex to understand
<BtbN> I'm also not sure if the width is affected at all
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<BtbN> The overwrite there would at worst be 1 pixel, if I understand it correctly, which is probably always available as padding
<JEEB> wow, x265 actually decided to make a release
<JEEB> thought they'd given up on doing such things
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<Daemon404> who is the h264 person (tm) nowadays? https://patchwork.ffmpeg.org/project/ffmpeg/list/?submitter=1741 is appealing, and *sounds* reasonable to me, but im not an expert on h264.
<JEEB> oh, arch1t3cht doing H.264
<JEEB> coal
<Daemon404> i saw it when reviewing a downstream set that includes a workaround ;)
<JEEB> at least FATE passes, which means that we generally don't test intra refresh :D
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<Daemon404> FATE doesnt real test seeking either
<JEEB> we do have the seeking API test thingy, although not sure what it does internally
<mkver> JEEB: It only does demuxing.
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<JEEB> ah
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<beastd> BBB: I have just recently come across odd res mpeg1 video. Though somehow I remember when I started digging into multimedia around 2000, most tools would not allow me to create odd res videos.
<JEEB> yea, most of my recollection was regarding On2 formats
<JEEB> for some reason
<BBB> Daemon404: presumably michaelni?
<rajivharlalka> Curious to know if ffmpeg has some annual conference kinda setup? Have seen about some orgs on youtube but wasn’t able to find one for ffmpeg
<kierank> Videolan Dev Days is the defacto ffmpeg conference
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<rajivharlalka> Quick followup: how is videolan related to ffmpeg? Not on a product usage basis but anything other than that. Saw it coming a few places in the docs too
<j-b> kierank: Seoul! Seoul!
<kierank> videolan is a user of ffmpeg
<kierank> probably the most well known open source one
<rajivharlalka> Hmm nice
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<beastd> Though videolan dev days is not at all about videolan topics only. Kind of a broader multimedia meet up with presentations and participation from all kinds of multimedia developers.
<j-b> It lacks trolls
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* kierank there
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<andrewrk> j-b: Seoulがかっこいいだが日本はどう思う?
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