<bkeys>
rwmjones: Is there gonna be a way to migrate the Fedora Rawhide image you made for the unmatched onto a versioned distribution of fedora?
<davidlt[m]>
It might work, but might also not.
<davidlt[m]>
It surprisingly worked many times, but that's not given (i.e. not tested or expected to work). The next jump will be a large one F33 -> F36.
<bkeys>
So isn't the current image based on F33?
<davidlt[m]>
Fedora (upstream) does not support such large jumps, but I did something similar recently and it worked fine.
<davidlt[m]>
Yes, it's F33.
<bkeys>
It says rawhide but I noticed my desktop has more up to date packages
<bkeys>
My f35 desktop
<davidlt[m]>
The current Koji/RISCV is still up to F33/Rawhide which was at a time.
<davidlt[m]>
It doesn't have F34/35/36 (yet)
<bkeys>
Yeah it makes sense; how long do you think it will be before riscv64 shows up on alt.fedoraprojects.org/alt ?
<davidlt[m]>
That's a complicated question, which mainly reduces to having a proper hardware in server racks (and plenty of it).
<davidlt[m]>
The current hardware (even Unmatched) is not designed to be remotely managed server and doesn't provide enough power required yet to be part of the official Fedora Koji infra.
<davidlt[m]>
Unmatched is a very nice upgrade from the previous hardware, but we will need more.
<bkeys>
Yeah that makes sense, I always hear about alibaba or some other chinese firm making supposedly powerful hardware; but like loongson I don't see where someone would be able to acquire it
<davidlt[m]>
Like recently announced SiFive cores seem to be amazing (e.g. P650).
<davidlt[m]>
There are a number of companies working on IP or SoC, but it's up them to announce something.
<bkeys>
Yeah but I imagine the Sifive cores would take a while to hit fabs especially with the chip shortage going on
<bkeys>
Even getting an unmatched would take until February to acquire
<davidlt[m]>
SiFive makes IP, not the SoCs. These boards are mainly for software ecosystem and evaluation, but far from the main business.
<davidlt[m]>
Well, it's up to some X company to buy that IP and incl. into some SoC, make it available via distributions channels, blah, blah. That takes a lot of time.
<davidlt[m]>
The IP and RISC-V specification are always years away I would say.
<davidlt[m]>
StarFive just announced 150 USD board (same SoC as on BeagleV)
<davidlt[m]>
They are working on a newer 7110 SoC that might be as capable as FU740 on Unmatched.
<davidlt[m]>
Alibaba is selling SBCs with their higher-end cores, that's basically RISC-V Android platform.
<davidlt[m]>
I don't have one, thus don't know much about it.
<davidlt[m]>
Right now all the hardware is at low-end smartphone level (with tons of RAM and fast I/O), but next 1-2 years should propel those boards into mid-range or higher mid-range class (if someone cooks SoC with P650).
<davidlt[m]>
Ventana is working on a server class range SoC.
<davidlt[m]>
Ventana VT1
<davidlt[m]>
They have started toolchain upstreaming.
<davidlt[m]>
It has bitmanip and some instruction fusion support.