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<[TheBug]> Shhhhh! Be very very quiet, im hunting SBC's...
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<hyphop> hi
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<hyphop> where i can get last images for VIM1 VIM2 VIM3 Edge testing ... ?
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<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> https://imola.armbian.com/dl/
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> Looks like i need to add edge to nightly
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> I have some edge builds here... https://armbian.lane-fu.com/
<hyphop> yes plz add all Khadas boards i will check it
<hyphop> plz try https://armbian.atlassian.net/browse/AR-835?focusedCommentId=10589 it for test VIM1 VIM2 modesetting bug
<ArmbianHelper> AR-835 [Bug] "Amlogic GLX desktop fails" reported by Igor Pecovnik at 2021-07-05. Status: In Progress
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> I dont have vim1 or vim2. Sent those to some other devs. But I'll look into that setting.
<Armbian-Discord> <l​anefu> Its 3am so im just on my phone at the moment.
<lanefu> lol i actually gave up and decided ot get out of bed
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<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Hyphop I have vim 1 and 2. Is there something specific in the khadas firmware required to boot an SD image? Using mainline U-boot with the fip binaries like all other Amlogic boards didn't work.
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> It worked on my VIM1 but I also wiped the eMMC a long time ago
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<stipa> I was outside today, seems like it's drought, the grass is unusually yellow in big quantities, doesn't look good and the summer is far from over
<stipa> there's nothing about it in media
<stipa> i didn't mow in a three weeks and today there practically no grass to mow, it didn't grow
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<Armbian-Discord> <I​gorPec> grass in your country is indeed yellow 😉 but i have spotted the same in Ljubljana. We have a large, usually green, grassland which was never this yellow.
<stipa> yeah, it's strange
<stipa> must be the global warming
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> It's rained a lot here so far this year, and we've had cool nights.
<stipa> sounds good
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<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> Getting peppers and tomatoes from the garden :-)
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<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> yum
<nekomancer[m]> yum update -y
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> aptitude -f downgrade ,necromancer[m]>
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> LOL
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> jk
<nekomancer[m]> 😱
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<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> =_=
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<parabyte> hi im playing around with armbian on a sunxi board h3 soc. i was wondering where on the sdcard do i need to point my self compiled uboot image with DD
<parabyte> what offsets?
<parabyte> the stock uboot hangs on my board one i built is fine i tried it with fel boot via usb
<martinayotte> parabyte: script located in /usr/lib/u-boot/platform_install.sh is describing this offset, which is 8192 ...
<parabyte> lanefu, martinayotte thanks very much, its friday night here, and it will be my weekend pleasure to figure this out
<parabyte> on another note i have a s905x soc im new to this soc, xorg is using framebufer driver, performance is depressing on xorg, what drivers do i need to be looking at to get a better experience?
<parabyte> at the moment im using it as a headless box for wifi reasons but i do wish to explore its graphical system
<parabyte> what documentation do i need to read regarding this?
<parabyte> the second issue isnt really a problem as i am not that motivated to play with x on a small soc but i just wished to learn a little about how to get some genuine performance
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> We haven't figured out why accelerated xorg explodes on S905X yet, it has a Mali450 GPU which is quite frankly useless for an advanced window manager.
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> I need to take a look and see how this performance any SoC that doesn't crash with a Mali450, my last memory is about a year old to be fair
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<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> what board malik 450
<archetech> rneese ever get the N2+ to run kde properly?
<archetech> i.e w/ panfrost x and wayland
<archetech> been 6 months since I inquired
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<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> @rneese Amlogic S905, S905X, S805X
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> RK3328
<Armbian-Discord> <T​onymac32> H2+,3,5
<[TheBug]> yeah lots has Mali-450
<[TheBug]> pretty much most common GPU on Arm boards other than what, PowerVR?
* stipa SDG #214 KuWfi WE826-T2 4G LTE Modem with WiFi and Ethernet from Banggood / https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nhm_zCYSHI8
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<[TheBug]> ?
<stipa> it's not related to previous talk
<stipa> seems like it's hackable and has linux you can shell in
<stipa> much better than what 4G ISPs provide
<stipa> there's no wifi AC though
<stipa> so maybe 100$ is too much for it
<stipa> too bad because going to 5G would in theory just need a new mpcie card
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<nekomancer[m]> nobody needs 5G™
<stipa> 4G is just popular, every idiot has it
<stipa> including me
<nekomancer[m]> and it's good enough
<stipa> 5G is just what will simply happen
<nekomancer[m]> for all needs of ordinary private
<nekomancer[m]> will. in future.
<stipa> nekomancer[m]: it's enough but 5G could provide infinite traffic, now it's capped, mine is 1TB
<stipa> even if it's 1TB i have to be very economical
* nekomancer[m] see no reason why 4g should have caps but 5g should not.
<nekomancer[m]> there was "unlimited" plans on 3g, then 4g. but no one with reasonable price now.
<[TheBug]> lol
<[TheBug]> in USA 'unlimited' is halarious
<stipa> ?
<[TheBug]> for a lot of USA mobiler providers they say unlimited but if you read fine print they actually give a limit
<stipa> right, same here
<[TheBug]> most AT&T MVNO's who offer 'unlimited' are limited to 22GB of high speed and then they literally drop you to 128kbps for the rest of the month
<stipa> it's was frustrating
<[TheBug]> if you know anything about how cell phones work and google services
<[TheBug]> you will know 128kbps isn't even enough for google services to work
<[TheBug]> so effectively it doesn't matter it's 'unlimited' as soon as you exceed the limit it becomes unusable
<nekomancer[m]> I think it's about an everywhere. "unlimited*" * means you have to follow our "fair use policy" and no more than M gygabytes. this rules can be changed without a warning
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<[TheBug]> yeah but in the USA they get away with the unlimited argument by stating they don't totally cut off your traffic they limit you to 2G
<[TheBug]> but really its even slower than 2G
<[TheBug]> its so fucking slow its functionally unusable from an Android device
<stipa> yeah
<nekomancer[m]> at other countriea they cut you traffic at all.
<stipa> i got bit by that, they lowered from 1TB to 250 GB one month, i changed the ISP
<[TheBug]> lol max included traffic in any retail plan you can get it like 22GB
<[TheBug]> there are not even options here for 250 to 1Tb traffic
<[TheBug]> there are some people who resell some ancient grandfathered accounts which claim to be unlimited
<[TheBug]> but if you read the fine print if your on a busy tower and you become largest user
<[TheBug]> it will effective QoS you to nothing anyways
<[TheBug]> its just not quite as bad as '2g'
* nekomancer[m] have 6 GB monthly traffic on mobile. but usage 1-3 GB for ~19€
<stipa> that's really bad man
<stipa> in the US
<stipa> i heard before that it was unlimited 3G i guess and that network collapsed in the US
<stipa> sm network*
<stipa> GSM*
<nekomancer[m]> <stipa "i heard before that it was unlim"> same for russia a nd somewhere in eu. at 3g epoch.
<stipa> yeah, that's why it's capped and they say it's unlimited to sale more but it's not
<stipa> to prevent the collapse of the network
<stipa> to sell more*
<nekomancer[m]> MBA boys
<stipa> so, it's a scam supported by the laws
<nekomancer[m]> chairborn
<stipa> after all the infrasturucture is very buggy
<stipa> from modems to cell towers
<stipa> cell towers behave like they have different hardware
<stipa> if i'm notm oving of course
<stipa> not moving*
<stipa> there's few cell towers around me
<stipa> and they behave different
<nekomancer[m]> now satellite internet kick cell providers in the ass. maybe, they turns more adequate and user-oriened... if stay alive.
<stipa> they will if the phones will be able to receive the signal
<stipa> and send
<nekomancer[m]> they can lost home contracts
<stipa> there are sat phones but i guess you have to be in the open space
<nekomancer[m]> mobile will stay.
<stipa> yeah, 5
<stipa> g has similar speeds to sat
<stipa> but there are a lot of places where there's no gsm infrastructure
* nekomancer[m] nods
<nekomancer[m]> but that places have tiny traffik needs
<stipa> if the work from home gets going living in some cheap shithole in the middle in nowhere with sat net is fine
<stipa> that's practically all intelectual work
<nekomancer[m]> 80% can-to-pay peopple have cellular coverage (maybe, excluding hard mountain regions)
<stipa> yeah, but honestly, sending thousands satellites in space wouldn't be done by someone stupid, there has to be some planned profit out of it despite the GSM as competitor
<stipa> maybe even GSM could use sat links
<stipa> because gsm will stay for phones for sure
<nekomancer[m]> cell towers use satellite links or decades
<stipa> right
<stipa> i didn't know that
<stipa> but you know, if there is tech that could fit a sat modem into the phone and you could receive and send signal through 50 concrete floors in a building that would be something
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> would gsm stay when 4g-lte and 4g are better
<nekomancer[m]> hope I will not have such radiator near me
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> 5g is the issue
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> they need to kill the cell 6g
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> 5g
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> lol
<nekomancer[m]> afaik somewhere 2g was shutted down already
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> band realication
<stipa> i guess those end up somewhere in Africa
<nekomancer[m]> not much for a while. but process is on a way
<nekomancer[m]> oh! 2022 will start after half a yearr
<nekomancer[m]> but what country t-mobile?
<stipa> europe
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> USA
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> same as At&T
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> both EU and US
<stipa> they brought ADSL in Croatia
<stipa> fast cheap net
<stipa> unlimited
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> dsl is slow and limited to copper
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> never seen anything higher the 10x3
<nekomancer[m]> so much automatisations 2g only.. turn gates, home heaters and alarm systems, byke and car gps trackers, and so on
<stipa> well it's not fibre but it's usable
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> thats slow cable internet here is now 200/300/ 500 mb
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> where I am fiber is not here in my small town
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> and cable internet is cheap 200mb for 39.99 a month
<stipa> nekomancer[m]: right, they'll need to upgrade hardware
<nekomancer[m]> need.
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> need need need want want want
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> geesh
<Armbian-Discord> <r​neese> lol
<stipa> 200mb is fine
<stipa> almost like light