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<NiGHTS>
ngspice/build-for-mac-os.sh at master · imr/ngspice · GitHub
<andlabs>
so shrug
<andlabs>
oh because it's primarily an external binary that only has an X11 UI (and a Windows UI)
<andlabs>
ugh
<qu1j0t3>
andlabs: yeah i was complaining
<qu1j0t3>
andlabs: can't run 6
<andlabs>
well I was hoping to avoid installing X11 at all but
<andlabs>
if it can't run 6 then it wouldn't be providing 6
<andlabs>
macports (claims it) takes backward compatibility very seriously
<andlabs>
and it seems like the kicad for macos thing is more of a problem with having a skeleton crew who only have access to new macs and intentionally handicapped versions of xcode
<andlabs>
(I'll be having this problem with windows too real soon it seems, thanks to people deciding windows 7 is too old to support)
<andlabs>
(but in that case there's a moral imperative to support win7)
<qu1j0t3>
does macports really maintain patches to allow backporting products like KiCAD?
<andlabs>
(no I will not be debating htat position)
<NiGHTS>
macports-ports/science/kicad/files at master · macports/macports-ports · GitHub
<andlabs>
but again
<andlabs>
I would have liked to test it myself
<andlabs>
but ugh I really don't want ot install xquartz
<andlabs>
I wonder how many of just the core libraries I can get away with
<andlabs>
oh these are just libraries okay that works
<andlabs>
you'll also need to tell Tk to build without x11 (+quartz-x11)
<andlabs>
okay kicad works perfectly find for me
<andlabs>
cool
<andlabs>
qu1j0t3: but yeah the biggest problem with kicad is that the person who runs the build system gave up tryig to fight new versions of Xcode and just raised the minimum supported version instead
<andlabs>
which I consider a dereliction of duty but whatever
<andlabs>
they don't actually use new APIs, in fact they don't use mac APIs at all since it's wxWidgets
<andlabs>
now I just need to learn how to make PCBs
<andlabs>
there's a schematic for an old thing but no one has ever cloned it yet
<qu1j0t3>
andlabs: deployment version is decoupled from Xcode version? or is that broken now
<qu1j0t3>
as in: Yes, they might force you to upgrade Xcode, but you should be able to downgrade the deployment version in the build to an extent
<andlabs>
to some extent
<andlabs>
more if you don't want to use xcode itself and are happy calling out to the compiler directly
<andlabs>
I don't know the specifics though
<qu1j0t3>
yeah that would be ideal
<qu1j0t3>
i haven't done very much with that but there used to be an xcodebuild cli tool
<qu1j0t3>
and of course that way you could continue to use an old installation