02:08 <_whitenotifier-1> [scopehal] mpb27 starred scopehal - https://github.com/mpb27

05:53 <d1b2> <esden> should be back @azonenberg

05:53 <azonenberg> Thanks

05:54 <d1b2> <azonenberg> do you have a highlight on "irc bridge" or something? lol

13:06 <d1b2> <johnsel> I'll see if I can do that at some point then, though I want to make CI functional again first

14:08 <d1b2> <azonenberg> Yeah

14:08 <azonenberg> i mean we need a lot of things longer term. Things like a proper website

14:08 <azonenberg> ideally a proper name ("ngscopeclient" is not the best but it seems to have stuck lol)

14:20 <azonenberg> I currently own ngscopeclient.org as well as a few names reserved for a potential future nonprofit I hope to set up to oversee the project, but there's nothing on any of them yet

14:21 <azonenberg> Mostly because i'm not a web designer or close to one

14:34 <juh> I dunno if I’m comfortable with “committing” myself to anything, but I do have web experience and am happy to implement/advise on that kind of stuff. but as for knowing what actually needs to be on the site, I’m obviously not the one to ask

14:57 <azonenberg> Anything is better than nothing. A basic "what is the project" blurb, link to the github, some screenshots, link to the irc/discord, link to the pdf manual would be a good start. placeholder for link to release downloads once we have a formal release package

14:57 <azonenberg> I'd like to make it fully static if possible, just html+css. i can't think of any reason we'd need js

14:58 <azonenberg> or server side scripting even. static templating engine we compile to a bunch of HTML would be ideal

14:58 <azonenberg> keep it simple, keep it dumb, make it look pretty

14:59 <azonenberg> I can write all the text copy for the site and draw up an outline for what pages we want and such

14:59 <azonenberg> And do all of the hosting, DNS, deployment type stuff

15:00 <azonenberg> A pi4 on my home rack should be plenty given that this will be purely an informational site and the code and big binary downloads will live on github using their bandwidth

15:01 <azonenberg> juh: thoughts?

15:03 <juh> sounds like a great plan to me, i'll work up a layout and super-basic stack when I find some time

15:04 <azonenberg> Awesome. I'll make a new github project under the glscopeclient org (which should also be renamed at some point, once glscopeclient deprecation is complete) and start throwing some plain text or markdown copy in there

15:04 <azonenberg> my plan is for the entire site to be open source since there will be no secrets or private sections

15:04 <azonenberg> then we'll just clone the repo onto the web server, run the compile script to generate templated html from whatever the source data format is, and point nginx at it

15:07 <juh> is there any existing branding material i should be aware of?

15:12 <azonenberg> No. We reached out to a graphic designer some time ago in an effort to create branding collateral but the effort stalled

15:13 <azonenberg> in part because we were focusing on branding for a nonprofit entity for the project and the more we looked into it the messier it got wrt also selling probes and stuff like that

15:13 <azonenberg> so we are still figuring out the long term legal structure we want to have established to ensure that the project remains open but we can also accept donations, sell hardware, etc

15:14 <azonenberg> most likely there will need to be a nonprofit focused on R&D and a for-profit entity that makes physical products based on those designs and contributes some or all of its net profit to the nonprofit

15:14 <azonenberg> but figuring that out in a way that makes the IRS happy will take time

15:15 <azonenberg> either way we also need branding for the software but nothing of the sort currently exists or is being worked on

15:15 <juh> copy that o7

15:28 <d1b2> <svenpeter42> fwiw, for asahi linux we just host the static website on github pages and that's been working quite well so far

15:34 <juh> oh, yeah, this looks dead simple. probably the best move

15:36 <juh> templated themes support markdown out of the box, and we can still pretty easily adapt it to something custom later on if we need

15:39 <juh> still happy to help manage and tweak it if we go that route, if you want

15:39 <azonenberg> @svenpeter42 does this allow custom domain names?

15:39 <d1b2> <svenpeter42> yes

15:40 <azonenberg> Sounds like it might be a good option then. I'll work on throwing some content together and see what i can do with it

15:41 <d1b2> <svenpeter42> https://github.com/AsahiLinux/AsahiLinux.github.io that’s the repo, iirc it uses Hugo with some github ci to automatically build the website

15:42 <azonenberg> How bare bones are the supported templates? i really like making sites that are as js-free as possible so they will work out of the box with noscript

15:44 <juh> i actually don't see any js at https://asahilinux.org/

15:44 <azonenberg> Great

15:47 <d1b2> <svenpeter42> yeah, you can use any Hug(or whatever static side generator you prefer) template afaik

15:47 <d1b2> <svenpeter42> *hugo

17:16 <d1b2> <johnsel> juh: let me know if you need help with the CI. (or the html/css, in a previous life I ran a company that built saas crap)

17:17 <d1b2> <johnsel> crap meaning I don't like saas, we (tried to) build quality products

23:16 <d1b2> <jwise0> yes, the solution to this is to use GitHub Pages if you need a web page, rather than putting stuff on your Pi. Hugo etc does work, we use it for bangbangcon.com (hosted on GH Pages, currently using Netlify to build instead of GitHub CI but GitHub CI would be the way to do it if I were to do it in 2023)

23:17 <d1b2> <jwise0> !!Con's site is JS-free I think

23:19 <azonenberg> I mean i already have other domains served off the pi but gh pages has the static site generator preconfigured which is convenient

23:19 <d1b2> <jwise0> ah, !!Con West uses hugo. !!Con uses jekyll. https://github.com/bangbangcon/bangbangcon.github.io

23:20 <d1b2> <jwise0> https://github.com/bangbangcon/west is an example of doing this with Hugo to create a JS-free page (result is bangbangcon.com/west )