08:57 <AssWorm> I hope this week the river 0.4.0 will be released or at least in this month

09:05 <ifreund> yeah, not gonna happen

14:06 <dmcblue> Nickli Thanks for showing me that package! Finally got it working, just had to run `cycle-focused-tags`  with sudo one time to get it to generate the river bindings correctly (in case anyone else has trouble with it)

14:08 <Nickli> 👍

14:08 <dmcblue> This might be more of a Wayland question than a River one, but what is the way / a good way to have the screen shut off after inactivity (or with a hotkey)?  Not necessarily have the computer sleep but at least to shut down the signal to the monitor. My google searching is not coming up with much, probably using the wrong search terms. Even if

14:08 <dmcblue> someone can just point me in the right direction, that'd be great

14:09 <Nickli> https://codeberg.org/river/wiki/src/branch/master/pages/Recommended-Software.md

14:09 <Nickli> swayidle

14:20 <dmcblue> thanks!

14:51 <ifreund> adding https://git.sr.ht/~emersion/chayang/ into the mix can make things even nicer

14:58 <LarstiQ> ifreund: ooh, that looks nice!

15:53 <FireFly> oh that might be nicer than my hacky shellscript around xbacklight

15:57 <szgy> I y'all. Did anyone using an arch based distro had any issues after recent updates? I had to freeze the system updates from like, 15th of march because I started having a full freeze of graphics.

15:58 <szgy> I wasn't able to pinpoint it to any app (like firefox, a webkit based browser, slack, nor anything). Also river logs don't show anything weird.

15:58 <szgy> It only graphical since audio still works; and its not a kernel panic

15:59 <szgy> (I know this is a river channel only, but maybe someone had a similar experience). I'm guessing wayland logs should appear on the river logs itself and there's no other place to look for those

15:59 <szgy> but maybe I'm mistaken...

16:01 <ifreund> szgy: anything in dmesg?

16:02 <ifreund> also amd or intel gpu?

16:02 <ifreund> support in amdgpu for older amd hardware often has regressions

16:04 <szgy> amd! but is a pretty new thinkpad

16:04 <szgy> I'm not clear how to see dmesgs from older boots (or do they accumulate?)

16:04 <szgy> but at a glance I couldn't see anything weird there...

16:05 <ifreund> I think saving dmesg logs from previous boots depends on your distro, I assume systemd journald does something about that though

16:05 <leon-p> yes, you can look at journald entries from previous boots

16:06 <leon-p> I think it was journalctl --boot -1

16:07 <leon-p> or hit tab after "journalctl --boot" to see the ids of all stored boots and use one of those

16:51 <szgy> leon-p: (don't have systemd - I'm actually using artix) but dinit and there's nothing on its logs useful)

16:54 <ifreund> if you're using artix you're probably on your own as far as robust logging goes

16:54 <ifreund> I'd definitely set something up so you can check dmesg output after hitting that freeze issue

16:57 <szgy> yep, I figured...

16:58 <leon-p> is it just me or are most anti systemd distros completely half-assed out of the box? keeping logs from previous boots is a pretty basic thing, no?

17:06 <szgy> heh yeah. I mean, I never had any issues with artix (been using it for like, 5 years) and I actually forget that I'm using artix instead of arch most of the time

17:06 <szgy> so yeah, I never had any need for inspecting system logs before

17:07 <szgy> but for this specific thing is kind of a drag...

20:28 <ifreund> leon-p: it's not just you, chimera is the only one that seems to be making an effort to match the actually really useful features of systemd

20:29 <ifreund> artix supports like 5 different init systems, which means that no init system is really well integrated

20:30 <ifreund> though I also wouldn't call chimera an "anti-systemd" distro, it uses ports of several parts of systemd

20:41 <leon-p> it probably isn't an "anti-systemd" distro. I just find most distros using other inits smell more like a knee-jerk reaction than a proper effort so that's why the term came to mind

21:54 <ifreund> oh, there are absolutely plenty of "anti-systemd" knee-jerk people out there :D

22:17 <bwbuhse> ifreund: I (personally) think Gentoo is pretty good at at least presenting alternatives to systemd tools

23:26 <bwbuhse> as in, I honestly am not sure if there's anything I've had issues with or that Ifeel are particularly annoying with systemd. Gentoo has first-class support for systemd, too, anyways