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13:18 <pottsy> Is it possible to use racket/gui and racket/draw such that I can handle the frame event loop myself? I want a 2d game "main-loop"-esq experience

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13:30 <klf> https://docs.racket-lang.org/reference/syntax-model.html

13:31 <klf> are there only three phase levels (phase 0, 1 and -1)?

13:33 <klf> phase levels seem like something that concerns implementers of the language.

13:33 <tonyg> klf: no, there are an arbitrary number of phase levels

13:33 <tonyg> you end up needing to think about them when you are writing macro-defining-macros sometimes

13:34 <tonyg> I've had to deal with them maybe once, when I was doing some extremely ill-advised macrology :)

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13:34 <tonyg> Like, deal with them explicitly, I mean. Most macro definitions deal with phase automatically

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13:39 <klf> tonyg, I don't have any need to deal with macros atm. I've learned about (and worked with) syntax transformers in a class setting.

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16:32 <samth> tonyg: your racketmq package is broken; the relevant commit is missing

17:11 <bremner> samth: thanks for the video link. I finally got the point of syntax objects, I think :)

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17:58 <tonyg> samth thanks, I'll take a look. I suspect it's a branch renaming

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21:15 <klf> Racket is a call-by-value language. but can I pass in a reference delaying it's evaluation?

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21:25 <bremner> you can use e.g. boxes to do that

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21:33 <klf> bremner: similarly, how can I do something like (define defineclone define) ?

21:35 <klf> (the second argument is in expression context and so it's not something that would achieve what I intended)

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21:42 <samth> klf: you would write a macro -- you can only use functions to abstract over functions and other values, macros let you abstract over other things like definition syntax

21:43 <samth> klf: `(define-syntax-rule (defineclone stuff ...) (define stuff ...))` is one way

21:43 <samth> `(define-syntax defineclone (make-rename-transformer #'define))` is a bit more esoteric but also more complete

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