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<jakzale> release notes for 8.4 mention a new dispatcher for processing HTTP requests in layered fashion. Is that web-server/dispatchers/dispatch-wrap?
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<aberry62> has anyone tried using portaudio on linux? i'm trying to run sample code from the documentation and its throwing a lot of errors, even with jack running
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<ASau> aberry62: PA is... hm... "non-trivial" even natively in C.
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<ouestbillie> hey yall, i do r5rs for work but I'd like to get into a nice modern scheme for fun, im considering guile and racket, see the thing is
<ouestbillie> i like nice pdfs or even better, books
<ouestbillie> racket is so big I keep getting lost in the online docs, is there like a good /linear/ guide somewhere?
<samth> ouestbillie: impressive that you do scheme for work
<winny> Are you hiring :)
<ouestbillie> probably and you probably don't want to do /our/ scheme
<samth> you can get a pdf of the docs at https://download.racket-lang.org/releases/8.4/pdf-doc/
<ouestbillie> its adopt/ibs
<winny> Can't beat the low code stuff I work with at the dayjob
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<winny> oops, invert that statement...
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<ouestbillie> it s in Montreal and our scheme is all stitched together with python, perl and bash
<samth> if you want a book I recommend Beautiful Racket, Realm of Racket, Racket Programming the Fun Way
<winny> This isn't going to be a linear guide, but ICYMI the "Racket Guide" gives a tour on noteable features
<ouestbillie> samth: thanks for the link but thats pretty non linear heh
<ouestbillie> winny: yeah the "racket guide" is more of a showoff imo
<winny> I like to compare it to golang's tour webpage
<ouestbillie> reminds me of "practical common lisp", 'look at all the things you can do'
<samth> ouestbillie: that include a bunch of different manuals, guide.pdf there is the Racket Guide, which is a good intro to lots of racket
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<ouestbillie> winny: esp the web dev guide in racket, which is like, okay wow, but give me noo clue on how I could start a simple rest/rpc web server in racket
<ouestbillie> samth: yeah okay thanks I 'll try to get back into it
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<samth> for web dev in Racket I recommend the "Server Racket" book
<ouestbillie> samth: Realm of racket is a bit noobish for me iirc when i peaked at the pdf
<winny> "Server Racket" is a good resource, bought it, no regrets
<ouestbillie> winny: hmm interesting never heard of it, doesnt pull up on amazon.ca
<winny> Here ya go https://serverracket.com/
<winny> there's definitely a gap here, been wrestling with how to get random engineers turned to racket... have a web content project in the works but nothing to show for it yet
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<ouestbillie> honnestly
<ouestbillie> racket it looks like is either best as first first language for teenagers or good for experienced lispers who want to dwell into PLT stuff
<winny> I came to racket because it seemed like it had a good design that makes sense. My aims are mostly practical, plt is fun but not my primary focus. I never used racket for plt besides where it was practical (parsing stuff for the end goal etc)
<ouestbillie> i dont mean the language is not designed to be practical
<ouestbillie> mostly speaking documentation, ecosystem wise
<ouestbillie> theres so much to ramp up on, e.g. compared to a more classic r7rs
* ouestbillie just spews personal impression not well based assesments
<bremner> how can r7rs be classic? isn't it like 2 years old?
<bremner> or did I miss a decade again?
<ouestbillie> i meant classic as in doesnt deviate or add too much
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<bremner> lol. I see the report is literally 9 years old
<bremner> but implementations are more recent.
<ouestbillie> bremner: yeah you missed a decade lol
<samth> it's a _lot_ bigger than r7rs
<ouestbillie> ^^
<ouestbillie> racket is CL but in lisp1 mode
* ouestbillie hides
<samth> racket isn't the result of standardization, but it is similar in size to CL
<samth> (also this is a good and normal thing)
<bremner> racket is a lot more dynamic than CL (for better or worse). CL sometimes shows it's age quite badly
<ouestbillie> i think CL size is a bit much but i agree that bigger then r7rs is a good thing for racket
<ouestbillie> for what its worth ive heard quite a few shops choosing CL in recent years so, who knows
<ouestbillie> are there any benchmarks for SBCL vs the new racket on chez scheme?
<bremner> sure, I'm not saying CL is bad, just frozen in 1984 (or whenever the standard was)
<ouestbillie> oh dynamic in that sense
<ouestbillie> ya
<ouestbillie> racket is a bit too dynamic i feel like, its not obv to a newcomer what is a fancy new library/tool thats bound to be less battle tested and documented then a core feature
<ouestbillie> so it s not the dynamic per say, but broadcasting what is the minimal subset of racket that is stable and one should pick up first
<ouestbillie> once again, all impressions from a schemer that browses the guides of various implementation from time to time
<samth> ouestbillie: most things in racket that are part of the distribution you get when you download racket are pretty battle-tested/documented
<samth> even when they're pretty new
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<samth> obviously general packages outside that are more variable, but that's what you'd expect
<ouestbillie> youre right, id just say documented but not very linear
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<ouestbillie> okay so "server: racket" wants me to pay
<ouestbillie> hmmmm
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<winny> nice, it think serverracket.com is hosted on an openbsd box
<winny> ouestbillie: Can i use this quote, should I attribute you? ;) racket is CL but in lisp1 mode
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<ouestbillie> winny: sure go ahead i stand by everything i say on libera 😁
<ouestbillie> openbsd box
<ouestbillie> hmmmm
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