cfbolz changed the topic of #pypy to: #pypy PyPy, the flexible snake https://pypy.org | IRC logs: https://quodlibet.duckdns.org/irc/pypy/latest.log.html#irc-end and https://libera.irclog.whitequark.org/pypy | the pypy angle is to shrug and copy the implementation of CPython as closely as possible, and staying out of design decisions
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<agronholm> is there going to be a PyPy for Python 3.11, or have the JIT efforts on CPython stolen PyPy's thunder already?
<larstiq_> afaics it's still business as usual and will get there eventually, faster if more people help out
<zii> There's still some way to go before CPython's JIT becomes usable. Currently it does not make programs faster AFAIK.
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<cfbolz> agronholm: we started more concretely on 3.11 in the last month or two
<cfbolz> still some work ahead though: https://github.com/pypy/pypy/milestone/15
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<agronholm> good to see it's making progress
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<korvo> agronholm: My prior is that CPython's JIT offers about a 1.4x speedup over older CPython. PyPy offers about a 4.8x speedup in comparison.
<korvo> (Also I personally think that CPython's JIT approach is a dead end, but that's probably mere cynicism from seeing all the other JIT efforts stall.)
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<korvo> Does anybody happen to have a copy of the repo pypy/rsdl? I have the 0.4.2 tarball from PyPI, and I'm successfully building e.g. PyGirl with it, but I think I might have to add more bindings to it and I'd like to build upon as much repo history as I can.
<korvo> ...Ah, meatballs, never mind. I mean, I'm still happy to have a copy at rpypkgs/rsdl, but it looks like the bound version of SDL doesn't support MIDI at all. I'm gonna need to bind ALSA, I think.
<korvo> ISTR that ALSA's a nasty library to bind because it uses alloca for stack-allocating temporary structures, but maybe there's something in rlib for that.