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<drobban> Ada: so it seems. =)
<drobban> The syntax is a bit foreign to me. At the same time, My previous encounters with Lisp might have helped me wrap my mind around a few things.
<discocaml> <._null._> Core has this tendency to push new users into all tricky corners very early
<drobban> I can imagine. At the same time, its in the deep end of the pool you are really forced to learn.
<drobban> learned plenty today by just trying to figure out enough to understand the manual =D
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<discocaml> <Ada> it’s a tough transition between imperative langs
<discocaml> <Ada> i’m getting the hang of it tho
<discocaml> <Ada> well worth it
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<discocaml> <JM> If you are using ocamlformat, it should remove the unnecessary parens for you. So while you are still learning, you can be generous with parens and let the tool guide you to the "proper" level of parens.
<reynir> I find that ocamlformat sometimes adds unnecessary parens. That may be the configuration though (I don't know)
<theblatte> it adds some that are considered non-obvious
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<discocaml> <deepspacejohn> Running ocamlformat will also make it more clear when you forgot to use parens, for example by re-indenting code
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<neiluj> Hi! what would be the closest equivalent to ocaml's functors in rust?
<companion_cube> nothing, no equivalen
<companion_cube> t
<neiluj> sad, it's so handy, I can write code that depends on an abstract interface and instantiate it with whatever instance of that interface
<neiluj> that's so handy
<neiluj> thanks!
<Armael> you'd do that with traits in rust
<Armael> afaik
<companion_cube> you wouldn't do it to the same scale though
<companion_cube> same as functors not being a valid replacement for typeclasses
<neiluj> well my understanding of trait is that they are a collection of function signatures to implement for each data type
<neiluj> but you cannot write code that depends on a trait?
<neiluj> oh
<companion_cube> oh for sure, but it scales differently
<companion_cube> using traits for the equivalent of ocamlgraph is kind of ugly
<companion_cube> using functors for the equivalent of `Clone` is ugly
<neiluj> yes you can, with functions generic over traits?
<neiluj> why ugly?
<companion_cube> cause you have to repeat the constraints in many places
<Armael> the ergonomics are different but they both serve the purpose of writing generic code, that can be instantiated several times
<companion_cube> sadly rust doesn't give you a block like `impl<T:X, U:Y> { … }` not attached to a particular type
<neiluj> I see, thanks again!
<companion_cube> the ergonomics are _very_ different, since functors can be instantiated however you want, but explicitly; and traits can be instantiated only once per type, but implicitly
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<discocaml> <aspizu> i like how the first thing i see here is the mention of Rust
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<discocaml> <imposterishere> Lol
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<discocaml> <remexre> Is there an "eval bot" for Discord for OCaml?
<discocaml> <._null._> You mean a bot to emulate a toplevel ?
<discocaml> <remexre> yeah
<discocaml> <._null._> Why not use a local one ?
<discocaml> <._null._> (one: toplevel, I mean)
<discocaml> <remexre> I'm helping to teach a course using OCaml that's using Discord in the upcoming semester; I think it'd be helpful to be able to quickly show things to students asking questions
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<discocaml> <Ada> learned lwt enough to add streaming into libcurl
<discocaml> <Ada> feel quite accomplished really
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<discocaml> <oconnor0> Not a Discord bot, but https://try.ocamlpro.com/ ?
<discocaml> <froyo> fyi ocaml playground has permalinks
<discocaml> <froyo> https://ocaml.org/play#code=cHJpbnRfZW5kbGluZSAiaGVsbG8gZGlzY29yZCI%3D
<discocaml> <froyo> there's a bot called compile that calls back to https://tio.run but the ocaml there is rather old: https://tio.run/##y09OzM35/7@gKDOvJD41LyUnMy9VIbiyWC8fJBFfllpUnJmf9/8/AA
<discocaml> <froyo> actually there's another one that calls back to godbolt, godbolt runs ocaml 5
<discocaml> <Ada> godbolt is great
<discocaml> <Ada> even debian stable is on 4.13
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