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<testuser[m]> Hi
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<testuser[m]> Meanwhile KDE Spectacle offering to save screenshots as .cur or .ico files, but not .webp (Ubuntu 22.04)! Both sides work hard to keep the Linux desktop share at 1%.
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<phoebos> > running the program there would also require setting up Python. It was instead time to set up Docker
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<midfavila> yes, the correct way to know when to take the trash out is to use docker, python, and a bunch of webshit
<midfavila> clearly self-evident
<testuser[m]> > docker - which is a utility which lets me run individual scripts as standalone containers, separate from the rest of my operating system.
<testuser[m]> WTF
<phoebos> i just don't get how it makes more sense to people to set up a docker image of alpine with python inside it rather than just running python
<phoebos> "to avoid clutter"
<testuser[m]> Why do people think docker is the only way to separate stuff
<phoebos> never heard of mkdir
<midfavila> because chroots and namespaces don't exist
<testuser[m]> And the scripts are probably stateless
<midfavila> and filesystems are too advanced for modern computer users
<midfavila> if I can't just dump everything in my downloads directory and search for things as I need them, how am I supposed to find anything
<testuser[m]> I'd only use docker if i was using some nodejs junk with 2000 deps
<midfavila> i would just
<midfavila> not use nodejs lmao
<testuser[m]> Sometimes u might need it
<midfavila> doubt
<testuser[m]> Like hosting software meant for humans
<midfavila> i mean,
<midfavila> i just like
<midfavila> wouldn't do that
<midfavila> don't need node if you don't put yourself in situations where you might need node
* midfavila nods sagely
<midfavila> besides, how does node relate to "hosting software meant for humans"
<testuser[m]> Web apps
<testuser[m]> Jitsi
<testuser[m]> Element web
<testuser[m]> Nextcloud ? Ig that's php or something
<midfavila> you don't need node for web apps, inherently
<midfavila> i mean, unless web programming is fundamentally different from a few years back
<midfavila> "the year is 2022. unix is dead. the only programming language allowed -- by law -- is JavaScript."
<testuser[m]> MERN stack 2022 full tutorial
<testuser[m]> full stack engineering
<midfavila> god I hate it when people call programming "engineering"
<testuser[m]> Same
<testuser[m]> UI/UX engineer
<midfavila> like, no, you're not a software engineer, you're a programmer. stfu nerd
<midfavila> you're not a "UX Engineer", you're a graphic designer
<testuser[m]> Also every piece of software is an "app" now
<testuser[m]> gcc app
<phoebos> ^
<phoebos> i've had to explain "software, it's like an app" a few times
<midfavila> i think that that bothers me less than the hyperspecificity some programs have these days
<midfavila> like "note-taking apps" or "pomodoro apps"
<midfavila> use a goddamn text editor and a standard clock. it's *really* not that hard
<testuser[m]> But a regular alarm doesn't track you
<testuser[m]> 🚀
<noocsharp> he did say that it isn't necessary to use docker
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<phinxy> I've had `udhcpd` before, but now its not in `busybox --list`. It's =y in .config and seems to get built, although there's a warning "trying to reassign symbol CONFIG_UDHCPD"..
<phinxy> Perhaps "#CONFIG_UDHCPD IS NOT SET" counts as a set option, even though it looks like a comment!
<phinxy> yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay.
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