08:35 <fangerer> mattip: sounds good; I was actually short before targeting numpy but I appreciate a smaller milestone

08:36 <fangerer> mattip: you said it's widely used. Do you have numbers? (management often wants to see them)

08:44 <Hodgestar> fangerer: 51st most downloaded package on PyPI (https://github.com/hpyproject/top4000-pypi-packages/tree/master/top100).

08:45 <fangerer> 👍 thanks

08:46 <Hodgestar> More people download lxml than psutil, SQLAlchemy, or coverage. :)

10:33 <vstinner> hi. i wrote PEP 670 "Convert macros to functions in the Python C API" with Erlend https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0670/ to convert macros to regular functions in the C API in the long term

10:34 <vstinner> but first, macros may become static inline functions, to fix at least their API (avoid macro pitfalls, described in the PEP)

10:34 <vstinner> it's not directly related to HPy, but it hope that i will help C extensions maintainer to have a smoother transition from the Python C API to HPy ;-)

10:50 <mattip> "people" is a bit of a reach, since the most downloaded packages are used to interface with AWS

10:50 <mattip> https://hugovk.github.io/top-pypi-packages/

10:53 <mattip> pyyaml, which at #10, also uses cython

15:53 <Hodgestar> pyyaml sounds like a simpler target than lxml.

17:39 <ronan> hmm, apparently legacy tp_deallocs don't get called any more in universal mode

17:42 <ronan> antocuni: that looks related to HPyField